Charmed #9 spoilers discussion

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  • #1

    accacipi (Monday, 16 May 2011 13:25)

    Hm, so the first witch is different from the first slayer, I have to admit I'm not that firm in my Buffy mythology though. And Neena was born before names. Even Leo doesn't know which species she is, which is strange considering the first witch should be quite famous ;) And I guess she had to be at least neutral in the beginning, maybe recently something has happened that's changed her.

  • #2

    sarah (Monday, 16 May 2011 16:19)

    ahg neena i really want to know if paige and henry are going to talk more about little henry. im not complaining just i would like to know to make it more dramatic the twines should come into there powers kidding lol i wonder what changed neena?

  • #3

    Megawhatz123 (Monday, 16 May 2011 18:37)

    Maybe neena had a fight with the elders or maybe she had to wait until the charmed ones had dealt enough damage to evil and then she could do the same to good to balance it out?

  • #4

    accacipi (Tuesday, 17 May 2011 14:04)

    LoL. TCO have become TOO good and the Elders have to stop them. Love that one. And of course I wanna know about Henry too. But I guess the name is quite an indication.

  • #5

    Megawhatz123 (Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:16)

    @accacipi i think you misread what i wrote :)

  • #6

    charmedcomicfan (Tuesday, 17 May 2011 18:28)

    megawhatz123 this may be possible but why would neena let the CO deal so much damage to evil and not stop them before they do?

  • #7

    john p3 (Wednesday, 18 May 2011 07:26)

    if anyone read the comic please write a synopsis here!

  • #8

    Megawhatz123 (Wednesday, 18 May 2011 10:02)

    @ charmedcomicfan - sori i meant that she had no problem with the CO but she didnt like the elders but to keep the balance she couldnt destroy the elders untilthe CO had hurt evil enough...

  • #9

    PorterHalliwell (Thursday, 19 May 2011 13:21)

    So Leo basically tells Phoebe and Paige that Neena, the First Witch, is like Eve from the Bible. Her and her mate tapped into a power known as The All. It is more powerful than the Nexus; it's basically the source of all magic. Neena and her mate had two children, one good and one evil. Each child possessed weaker versions of Neena's powers. There are few direct decedents of Neena and her mate, but the Warren family line is one of them. Neena's mate left her and hasn't been seen again. Neena has run the Elders into hiding and somehow Kyle is alive again. Piper was sent to the same place where the Angel of Destiny was sent a few issues back. The Angel of Destiny fills her in. Piper finds a tree with on single apple hanging from it. The Angel takes it from her and uses it to escape. Then Cole appears and gives Piper and apple!

    It was a really good issue, probably my favorite. I'm still a little confused on the whole Neena storyline, but maybe if I read it again it will make sense more. Maybe someone could add a little more.

    The drawings are really good.

  • #10

    Megawhatz123 (Thursday, 19 May 2011 13:28)

    @ PorterHalliwell - thanks for teh summary. Wow so Cole appears? And i ad a feeling the angel would help piper...

  • #11

    PorterHalliwell (Thursday, 19 May 2011 13:52)

    Yeah, through out the comic you could see a shadowy figure lurking in the background and in the final panel it was revealed to be Cole.

  • #12

    charmedfan2011 (Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:02)

    So kyle is alive??? How or do we know also what are the apples

  • #13

    PorterHalliwell (Thursday, 19 May 2011 17:27)

    Yeah, I think the Elders prevented him from moving on to help with the Neena situation or something. And the apples are a product of the realm Neena made so they contained her power or something. The Angel of Destiny used it to transport out of the realm.

  • #14

    nick_clark (Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:21)

    That remember me to the golden apples of Norse mythology :)

  • #15

    charmedcomicfan (Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:56)

    it actually reminds the apple of the devil/sin in the eden garden. The apple that adam and eve ate and were forced to leave paradise. As an allegory eating these kind of apples in Neenas fake paradise you are forced to leave it and return to earth.

  • #16

    PorterHalliwell (Thursday, 19 May 2011 18:59)

    @Charmedcomicfan I think you're right. There was a lot of Biblical references through out this issue.

  • #17

    the power of three (Friday, 20 May 2011 06:31)

    @PorterHalliwellthanks for the symmary!the charmed oned used any of their powers?

  • #18

    charmedcomicfan (Friday, 20 May 2011 06:42)

    Piper uses molecular combustion to make a fire

  • #19

    the power of three (Friday, 20 May 2011)

    thnx!ohhh great!! only in one issue used molecular combustion and i wanted to see the power more!!paige and phoebe used any power?and cole make a appearence?wha he is doing?

  • #20

    charmedcomicfan (Friday, 20 May 2011 07:15)

    Cole is only in the last panel but his shadowy figure was in all the issue. His appearence is the cliffhanger of the issue where he appears to Piper. The only powers used in the issue is Combustion by Piper and Electrokinesis by Elders. Maybe also flight by some demons that have no wings. thats it

  • #21

    charmedcomicfan (Friday, 20 May 2011 07:20)

    This issue explains very much of neenas origins and intentions and also the origins of all magic. It have much action in the neena,rennek,demons vs elders scenes but also is a great issue that explains A hell of a lot of things . Amazing issue

  • #22

    the power of three (Friday, 20 May 2011 08:04)

    thanks!!i cant wait to see it!

  • #23

    Tess (Friday, 20 May 2011 18:53)

    Okay, come on. How awesome was it to see Cole?? That's the main reason I wanted to draw that issue so badly. LOL Glad it was enjoyed.

  • #24

    charmedcomicfan (Friday, 20 May 2011 18:58)

    shocked, amazed, thrilled are some of the feelings that can describe the last panel with cole on it. It was done perfectly!

  • #25

    Courtney (Friday, 20 May 2011 19:35)

    Awesome!!! Seems like a terrific issue! Can't wait to get it!

    Neena is an ancestor of the Charmed Ones? Awesome! Family vs family. Kinda reminds of The Vampire Diaries with Katherine vs Elena. I guess it would explain how Melinda Warren received powers and her mother didn't, the powers probably skipped a generation as it did with Billie and her mother.

    So how exactly is the info shared? Is it just Leo who is talking about the origins or is Neena talking about it to Rennek too?

    How is the likeness of Cole?

  • #26

    charmedcomicfan (Saturday, 21 May 2011 04:43)

    well actually neena is the ancestor of everyone, cause she is like Eve, so its not that unique. leo shares the origins only. cole's likeness is nice

  • #27

    Megawhatz123 (Saturday, 21 May 2011 07:04)

    Actually do we find out what neenas plans are??????

  • #28

    PorterHalliwell (Saturday, 21 May 2011 09:28)

    @Megawhatz Not yet, but we do know she needs the Elders distracted for whatever she's going to do

  • #29

    charmedcomicfan (Saturday, 21 May 2011 10:37)

    megawhatz: we pretty much get a big hint of what she wants, yes we kinda do

  • #30

    cole16 (Saturday, 21 May 2011 12:41)

    can someone upload a picture of Cole from the last panel ? I need to see it I'm so obsessed with him lol

  • #31

    PorterHalliwell (Saturday, 21 May 2011 15:52)

    @Charmedcomicfan what was the hint? i missed it

  • #32

    charmedcomicfan (Saturday, 21 May 2011 20:25)

    she wants to recreate the higher plane

  • #33

    PorterHalliwell (Saturday, 21 May 2011 20:51)

    Ah! I knew that, just somehow forgot it! Thanks for the reminder lol

  • #34

    Charmed2011 (Sunday, 22 May 2011 04:33)

    Recreate the higher plane? What does that mean

  • #35

    the power of three (Sunday, 22 May 2011 11:08)

    piper is trapped in the dimension?and what have this place?phoebe and paige find anything about piper?

  • #36

    charmedcomicfan (Sunday, 22 May 2011 11:32)


    leo tells them they wont find the answer they want in the book of shadoes
    phoebe wants to find piper but leo tells them they have to first learn everything about Neena
    cause otherwise its gonna be dangerous to confront her
    leo says her story starts from the FIRST DAYS OF HUMANITY
    so leo starts telling a story
    while we see piper in a dark empty place
    “when the world was dark a spiritual energy run through everything that existed
    neither good nor evil , it was part of everything like air and earth
    the elders call it THE ALL
    while we listen to leo
    piper opens a fire in the dark place
    with her powers
    molecular icombustion probably
    thousands upon thousands of yeaRs ago
    a woman came across that nexus

  • #37

    charmedcomicfan (Sunday, 22 May 2011 11:35)

    she alerted her mate of what she had found
    At first they were afraid of it
    but she pushed past that fear
    and tapped into this power
    while leo says that
    piper finds a tree with only an apple
    piper touches the apple while a figure spies on her
    well the woman who tapped into the ALLs power was infused with more of the ALL than any human was supposed to possess
    now leos story is cut for some panels
    the angel of destiny from issue 1 appears
    and suggests that piper doesnt eat the apple
    the AOD says that nothing in this place is destined and that both of them there are beyond the grand design
    piper asks where they are and what the aod does there
    the AOD says they are in a mistake a place that should not exist. a magical construct to attempt to recreate something lost
    The AOD takes the apple from piper
    and says she was searching for a way out of there for a long time
    she is probably there for months
    piper talks about the woman that send her there (neena)
    and the angel of destiny starts explaining to piper like how leo explains to the sisters
    Leos story now continues
    the woman shared that power with her mate and it changed them, made them immortal and invulnerable
    it bonded them forever to one another and to the ALL creating a state beyond consciousness beyond the known univerce
    that place is called the higher realm
    a place of pure utter bliss that they shared with the ALL
    but their presence there affected the earth their magical bond contained the ALL in the higher realm
    the world started to die
    now we are in the upper regions where the war between neena and the elders continues
    many elders are dead
    leo continues the story
    the only way to save earth was for the woman and her mate to seperate their powers
    to allow the power of the all to flow freely again

    Meanwhile in the upper regions Neena is winning
    elders are retreating
    thousands of demons go to the gates of the upper regions
    neena and rennek too
    the elders barricade themselves in the gates
    and elder shouts
    we see kyle opening the gates
    the elder thanks kyle for letting them in
    but says that this is not a permanet solution , kyle shouldnt be here, he hasnt moved on
    neena tells a huge goblin like demon to make sure the elders dont pass, the name of the demon or the species is IMPEDIMENTIA
    neena says she has things to do before they regroup
    leo continues the story
    the woman and man forced to abandon the higher realm
    never to return again

  • #38

    charmedcomicfan (Sunday, 22 May 2011 11:38)

    now phoebe and paige tell Leo that this story reminds them something
    leo says that this story is the basis of many belief systems (its obvious it is adam and eve but he never says it)
    leo continues the story:
    once back on earth the woman gave birth to a pair of children
    that were concieved while she was in the higher realm
    the first child had powers like her mother just not so strong, it is from this child that natural born witches came
    the second child was born with the same abilities but he used the magic for dark purposes and that gave rise to warlocks

    paige tells that she thought warlocks were just witches that turn bad
    but leo says that while some witches turn bad and become warlocks
    some are born that way too
    the other children that came later had no powers to speak of but they and their descendants could tap into the magic as magic practitioners
    and those are how humans were made probably
    in very rare cases these non magical descendants can give birth to a full witch but this can upset the grand design
    leo says that the warren family didnt just come into the magic but are part of Neenas bloodline
    now we go back to piper and AOD
    the AOD says that the place they are in is an attempt that neena did to recreate the higher realm
    but she failed
    piper asks why the AOD didnt try to stop her
    but the AOD says that there are beings that even AODs cant touch
    suddenly there is an earthquake
    piper and AOD run for their lives and the earth cracks
    swallowing the tree
    a mysterious figure still watches them both from the distance
    the AOD holds the last apple
    the AOD says that a person cant create an alternate plane of existance without a few side effects (earthquake)
    she then says the first witch exists outside of the grand design
    mysterious figure still watches them all the time
    the AOD say that they can only witness Neenas actions but not change them
    she then says that she is very sorry for doing that to Piper
    she takes a bite from the apple
    and dissapears

    then paige asks leo where the guy is now ,neenas mate
    leo says that Neenas mate eventually returned to the higher realm
    leo continues the story
    everytime a witch is born she inherits a tiny piece of the ALL
    not a lot but just enough to have an active power
    with every new descendant the ALL began to weaken it was spread too thin
    it needed to reclaim some of the magic it had lost, it needed on of the two to return
    so neenas mate returned to the higher plane
    but he didnt abandon her, not by day he was just gone
    and she was alone for the first time in forever
    they had no control over what happened to them
    his return to the higher realm had become part of the grand design
    the elders were forced to make a decision. they chose her mate to go to the higher realm and not neena
    as we all know you dont mess with the grand design
    while leo says that
    the mysterious figure appears in from of piper giving her an apple

  • #39

    charmedcomicfan (Sunday, 22 May 2011 11:39)


  • #40

    sarah (Sunday, 22 May 2011 13:44)

    i thought its not pollite to yell lol kidding charmedcomicfan

  • #41

    charmedcomicfan (Sunday, 22 May 2011 13:55)

    this is not yelling sarah, its me being serious that why i put it on caps :D

  • #42

    charmedcomicfan (Sunday, 22 May 2011 13:56)

    its like an announcement

  • #43

    fxrocks (Sunday, 22 May 2011 13:58)

    how exactly can Kyle be alive again ? I mean if a whitelighter or an elder die because of a darklighter and that he can be alive again, why was Leo so scared when a darklighter was after him ?

  • #44

    charmedcomicfan (Sunday, 22 May 2011 14:14)

    leo makes a comment that having died and having moved on is something different. kyle is dead but somehow hasnt moved on. wasnt explained in this issue im sure it will be in the next ones

  • #45

    Megawhatz123 (Sunday, 22 May 2011 14:15)

    Ok so is this what happened? There was humans all along. Then neena (a human) found a giant nexus(except it was all over the world and not just in the basement of the charmed ones) called the all. This gave her loads of magic powers(stronger then the CO?). She shared this with her husband who then became connected with the giant nexus and her. Then they created a different realm full of happiness and bliss. Here they concieved twins although they had not yet been born. Then the world was being destroyed as neena and her husband forced the all to stay in the higher realm so the elders made them return to earth along with the all. Here their twins were born. One a natural witch and another a natural warlock.They had loads of powers too but not as much as neena. These two children then created the witch/ warlock lines. However they were not immortal like their parents so they died. However after thousnads of years the witch and warlock lines had grown to big (and the all gave a piece of itself to everyone witch/warlock born) After thousands of years it had been spread too thin so the elders knew they had to make one of the two (neena and her husband) return to the higher plane and use the loads of power given to them when they connected to the all to help the all. The elders choose the guy randomly and so he was forced back there where he helped the all to survive and grant more witches and warlocks power. Then neena was alone. Also neenas line was supposed to be the only witches/warlocks but other non humans not connected to the all were given powers too creating other witch families?

  • #46

    charmedcomicfan (Sunday, 22 May 2011 14:30)

    i think you got it right megawhatz. Technically Neenas line is all there is in the world cause she is like Eve, the woman that all other people came from.

  • #47

    Megawhatz (Sunday, 22 May 2011 17:59)

    @ charmedcomicfan o ok thanks. So neena was the first witch and she's thes descendant of all magical witches

  • #48

    charmedcomicfan (Sunday, 22 May 2011 18:08)

    I Think she is the descendant of witches, warlocks and humans too.

  • #49

    Megawhatz123 (Monday, 23 May 2011 12:43)

    Thanks. Ya i was a bit confused about that. So she and her husband were the only people around and then they started the human and magical races

  • #50

    the power of three (Monday, 23 May 2011 12:51)

    have you any idea who is her husband-mate???i was thinking of cole :/

  • #51

    charmedcomicfan (Monday, 23 May 2011 13:11)

    im sure its not cole, he was born on 1800+. Neena is the oldest creature along with her mate, definately not Cole. He Mate somehow dissapeared and a have a theory on how he may . Its only a theory of mine and is not included in the issue.
    the elders chose neena to stay on earth and her mate to return to the higher place . this is stated in the issue. Also we know that with every new magical creature that is born a little something from the ALL is given to each new magical being that it is born. Neenas mate contained half the ALL. It is stated that sometime Neenas mate dissapeared but we dont know when. My theory is that centuries and centuries of new supernatural beings passed and eventually HALF the ALL got depleted. Because Neenas mate had half the ALL, when this half ALL vanished, Neenas mate vanished too.

    I will also continue my theory and say that now in the modern times not much of the ALL is left. And that means that if all the ALL is depleted Neena will probably perish too since she contains the rest of the ALL. So i think Neena's goal is actually not to die so thats why she is trying to recreate the higher plane (probably to bring her mate back too) but so far she has failed.

  • #52

    the power of three (Monday, 23 May 2011 13:28)

    ohhh very good theory! i hope to see him he will be powerful like neena or something else....and charmed ones have the power to stop neena?the issue 10 will be amazing but i hope to explain us what are her plans!

  • #53

    charmedcomicfan (Monday, 23 May 2011 14:01)

    as i said neenas plans are mostly revealed in #9

  • #54

    Megawhatz123 (Tuesday, 24 May 2011 12:25)

    When leo and the angel of destiny reveal the origins of neena etc. are we shown flashbacks of neena and the world as it was then or is it just leo explaining it in the sunroom in the manor the whole time????

  • #55

    charmedcomicfan (Tuesday, 24 May 2011 12:39)

    no there are not but the narration is perfectly mixed with pipers actions in Neenas fake/wrong higher plane

  • #56

    sephjames (Tuesday, 24 May 2011 16:23)

    I find it interesting that Piper and Cole often come across each other. In the television series, Piper and Cole had an episode together, and now an issue together. I wonder if Paul used this as his inspiration. It would be interesting to see Cole and Paige's chemistry together.

  • #57

    charmedcomicfan (Tuesday, 24 May 2011 16:33)

    actually its not an issue of them together, its only one panel, but he will probably interact with only Piper in the next issue, i dont think he wants to disturb phoebe again.
    About paige i think there may be interaction but probably a very typical one. They dont actually like each other hehe.
    Also i think both sisters (if paige sees cole too) will hide that fact that they saw cole.

  • #58

    JoshingAbout (Wednesday, 25 May 2011 08:39)

    I have a theory about Cole's presence: in "The Seven Year Witch" he says he's caught in a void between Life and Death, and that's kinda what the Higher Realm was, in a way, or at least Neena's failed attempt at recreating the Higher Realm is. That would explain why he was there.

    The narration and accompanying imagery implied he was Neena's mate, which is absurd, since he was born in the 1800s, so I doubt he's Neena's mate.

    I'm still not sure if I like Kyle still being alive - it takes away from the scene on the bridge, in my opinion. So Whitelighters are forced to move on if killed (again) by a Darklighter arrow but Elders have a choice? Seems a bit convenient. That wasn't explained very well - I hope they'll go over that in Issue #10.

  • #59

    the power of three (Wednesday, 25 May 2011 09:26)

    when you will add fotos and information in sections of powers/characters profiles

  • #60

    charmedcomicfan (Wednesday, 25 May 2011 10:48)

    I will update every category in nthe following hours today

  • #61

    charmedcomicfan (Wednesday, 25 May 2011 12:53)

    locations, character profiles and species are now updated

  • #62

    charmedcomicfan (Wednesday, 25 May 2011 15:30)

    CORRECTION EVERYONE: It is revealed that Kyle has indeed moved on. He let the Elders barricade themselves inside the realm of the dead in order to be saved from Neena's demon army.

  • #63

    Kie (Wednesday, 25 May 2011 16:40)

    Is anyone thinking what I'm thinking,

    that "THE ALL" is the same force that leo used to

    turn the charmed ones into gods because at the end of the issue neena is like "here it is" and those are the same doors that Leo went into on season five to get that urn/vase to turn the girls into gods.

  • #64

    charmedcomicfan (Wednesday, 25 May 2011 16:57)

    definately no. the all is not in one place and its definately not in up there. if you read the issue you will understand

  • #65

    Kie (Wednesday, 25 May 2011 17:08)

    ^ Crap :) in order to fully understand it I think I need issue #10 Lol, I have read it over and over a few times but I think I'm going to need #10,I think when I read #10 I'm going to be like "OH" that's what's going on.#9 issue is a good issue just like the previous ones.

    It's nice to see cool back.I keep thinking how cool it would be if it turns out that where piper is,is the same place that they accidentally sent Prue in season two,when she went three that portal with one of the four horseman,by having both side together using there magic they could have tapped into the all and sent them there that would be awesome.But most likely not the case here I highly doubt it.

  • #66

    Megawhatz123 (Thursday, 26 May 2011 10:22)

    @charmedcomicfan - So Kyle did die but he opened the gates to heaven/where the dead go so the elders could escape the demons???? Doesnt that make them dead too?

  • #67

    charmedcomicfan (Thursday, 26 May 2011 10:57)

    as said by kyle this is not a permanent solution and not right since the elders havent moved on. The shelter is temporary probably and they must go soon. lets wait next issue