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  • #1

    AnotherCharmedFan (Monday, 28 November 2011 14:40)

    OH MY GOD! Prue is Patience!!!!!!!!!

  • #2

    charmedcomicfan (Monday, 28 November 2011 15:38)

    She is back! For real!

  • #3

    megawhatz (Monday, 28 November 2011 16:02)

    Well Cole could be wrong. They could still shock us and reveal more later in the issue and say its not Prue.

  • #4

    Seerempath (Monday, 28 November 2011 17:36)

    Prue looks really good, and I love what Piper said to Leo. You can't keep secrect from your wife when her sister can see the future. LoL

    When I read that, Coop came to mind, he won't be able to keep secrets from Phoebe either. LoL

  • #5

    StoryGirl83 (Monday, 28 November 2011 17:57)

    That's one way to start of an issue with a BANG. Someone got a haircut. ;) It also gave us an approximate time frame, since "Patience" said that Sarah's made progress in the last few days, so it's probably less than a week after the last issue. I wonder who her date is or if that is in any way relevant. And of course Bailey's fun.

  • #6

    GC (Monday, 28 November 2011 19:57)

    I like her appearance better in this issue then the first one, even though the brown eyes bug me. Though, anyone else think the blonde is fake? Maybe its just the coloring, but to me it looks like a dye job. And that look she gave Cole after he appeared (Did he shimmer?) inside, THAT was a Prue look, which makes me happy because I wanted to be able to know that it's Prue, even if she looks different.

    Btw, judging from her nails it looks like we were right to assume its her hand on issue 17.

  • #7

    Josh (Monday, 28 November 2011 20:06)

    Really loving the art!!! We finally see that long hallway from season 6 again. So Piper, Paige, and Phoebe probably follow Leo to speak with Glynnis which is how we get the 2 page spread we all saw a couple weeks back. In order to see Glynnis, the Charmed Ones probably combine all their powers to get past all the weapons this bladesmith has in her fortress... CAN NOT wait!

  • #8

    Alexispana8a (Tuesday, 29 November 2011 09:35)

    is that blonde girl patience?????????She looked much older in the previous comic!!!

  • #9

    JoshingAbout (Tuesday, 29 November 2011 16:47)

    I'm gonna be honest, if it turns out that Patience is Prue then I'm gonna be sorely disappointed. I wanted her return to be a tad more epic and grand.

    I'm interested in seeing just what Leo is now.

  • #10

    StoryGirl83 (Tuesday, 29 November 2011 17:19)

    There's a reason Patience is reacting the way she is to Cole. Maybe the reason why is something epic and grand.

  • #11

    GC (Tuesday, 29 November 2011 18:38)

    I really wonder if Prue, whether she's Patience or not, is going to be involved in her sisters lives from here on out. I mean, she is obviously alive, whether she was reincarnated or something else happened...I don't think she's a whitelighter, honestly, I think something happened to her, someone resurrected her (And I think we'll find out who that is in the next issue) or did something to her. And...WHERE THE HELL IS ANDY?! I mean, come on, I don't think Paul would just forget about Andy...unless that's part of the new arc too for Prue's storyline, once she's reunited with her sisters she'll be off to find Andy and bring him home...

  • #12

    StoryGirl83 (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 07:02)

    @GC - Now there's a storyline I could get behind. I'd love to see Andy return to the world of Charmed somehow.

  • #13

    the hidden fear (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 08:12)

    A brilliant issue! Very interesting, what with finding out what Leo is, the use of all the girls powers, a rather snide reference to Billie and Christy and of course Prue! And don't worry, Andy does get a mention as does Charon

  • #14

    nick_clark (Wednesday, 30 November 2011)

    Can you tell us about... everything!!!!!!? :D

  • #15

    GC (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 08:57)


  • #16

    power of three (Wednesday, 30 November 2011)

    what happened ? can anyone write a synopsis? what powers are used?

  • #17

    MattThomas (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 10:47)

    Quick overview:
    Cole finds Patience and tells her that he knows she is Prue. She then asks if Phoebe sent him, but he says that he's there on behalf of her mother and Grams. Prue explains that she was never truly allowed to move on into the afterlife due to the prophecy of the Charmed Ones keeping her tied to her sisters. She reunited with her family and Andy in the afterlife thanks to the Angels of Destiny, but she was still stuck between life and death. She explained that she was the one who found Paige and made the new power of three, but that the prophecy was never meant for Paige, so they were never as strong as the original three and Prue still had a connection. So she left the afterlife and hid in the Astral plane, but that didn't work. So she found the body of a comatose witch and took over. Because of this she felt stronger, causing the other three to feel stronger too. But she then explained that if the four of them ever united it would cause the opposite effect to that of three of them, it would weaken them and cause cataclysmic effects. She then asked Cole to keep her secret.

    Bailey helps Leo find out who made the sword and finds where the maker's descendant is. Piper and the sisters overhear his plan to visit the descendant and demand to come after Phoebe had a premonition that he would get into trouble. They get to the descendants fort to find huge metal doors and magical weapons inside which attack them. They then find the descendant and she tells them that the sword was made for the Elders. The Elders were initially more than just guides and were warriors against the demons, but then changed and hid the sword away after they changed to become only guardians.

    Bailey runs in to see Paige with information that Sarah (Patience/Prue's magical student) has come into her powers. We then find that Rennek is controlling Bailey, as part of this plan to unite the four sisters.


    Patience/Prue: Telekinesis (on a car and on crystals) and crystal use.
    Piper: Molecular combustion (To try open iron doors and to move Paige's bubble using the blast)
    Phoebe: Premonition (off-screen) Levitation (Of Paige's bubble shield, causing the sisters and Leo inside to move)
    Paige: Orb shield
    Cole: Shimmering?
    Leo: Wings

  • #18

    Megawhatz (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 11:21)

    I thought Paul said piper would use molecular acceleration in this issue. Otherwise sounds like an amazing issue

  • #19

    piper32 (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:18)

    piper used both. she used acceleration on iron doors and comustion on the bubble.

  • #20

    nugent (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:42)

    LOVE LOVE LOVE that prue is back... not sure how i feel about paige "not being meant for the prophecy part" paige is just as much as sister and charmed one as prue piper or phoebe was.... also.... i liked the idea of Prue closing the doors at the end of season 7 and helping the girls from the afterlife... does this mean this didnt happen..... I LOVE that prue is back but i just hope it doesn't mess up the continuity too much!

  • #21

    Seerempath (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:48)

    I love the issue myself. I hope Prue sticks around.

    Prue still has her part in the power of three (it was always meant for her), Paige just share in it, which is why the new Charmed Ones are weaker.

  • #22

    Just a Witch (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:50)

    I love this issue.
    I hope Prue and Cole will get together.

  • #23

    charmedcomicfan (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:56)

    i think paul implies that Prue found a new body and came back to earth by the time the girls became stronger and that was somewhere in issues 3-6

  • #24

    nugent (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:56)

    i never thought the new charmed ones were weaker though... i mean they vanquished the source multiple times and changed the world for God sakes... and the triad!

  • #25

    p3nathan (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 13:11)

    It sounds like a bit of a slap in the face for Paige, not sure how I feel about that (I certainly never thought the 2nd power of three was weaker)... however I love where the story is going, it's getting so epic! I quite like Patience being Prue, sure it wasn't the biggest suprise, but I liked how she was helping witches and seemed like quite a strong minded character. Looking forward to reading this in full.

  • #26

    Seerempath (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 13:24)

    Piper, Phoebe and Paige are obviously very powerful, and no one is discounting what Paige and her sisters have do over the years. They have vanquished alot of baddies. However, the ultimate power aka Billie and Christy could not have match the Original Charmed Ones in power.

    It now makes makes sense why the pair of sisters were evenly match. It's because Paige was never meant to be a Charmed One and doesn't completely have a share in the power of three.

  • #27

    nugent (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 13:39)

    p3nathan is right... its a slap in the face for paige... im sorry i just cant buy that paige doesn't share in the power of three and that she was never meant to be a charmed one.... the way i would have played it was the reason why grams said that there is a reason for everything and "there is a reason for this too" in charmed again part 1 was that had prue not passed away Paige would never have fulfilled her destiny as a witch/ white-lighter helping charges and saving innocents, therefore prue fulfilled her charmed destiny and went on to a new destiny with andy etc in the after life, she found paige etc... however because of being charmed she was connected with her sisters still and THEN go into that story where she "stepped in" (using a ghost whisperer term there for all you ghost whisperer fans) to the comatose witch's body.. therefore we give paige her proper accolades and still give prue a cool story WHILE verifying what grams said about everything happening for a reason... it was paige's time- it was time for her to fulfill her destiny.... it could have even been according to he angels of destiny (which is why the elders wouldn't have known paige... only the ones above them knew of her existence)

  • #28

    nugent (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 13:43)

    possibly... one of the reasons why prue had to die was because, like i said, it was time for paige to discover who she was and it was up to prue to find her... THAT could have been part of prue's destiny, and the reason why prue passed on could be because, as the story states, there can't be 4 charmed ones at a time... prue had a new destiny, she fulfilled her duties as a charmed one and taking care of her sisters until they could fend for themselves, now it was time for paige to step into her role as a witch....

  • #29

    nugent (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 13:45)

    i believe that explanation would have been better suited for fans all around... especially the prue/paige fans out there... paige gets her time in the spotlight and would be seen as an equal member of the family and prue gets a nice little explanation to her story and why she passed away...

  • #30

    charmedcomicfan (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 13:46)

    remember that also grams and patty said lies to the girls about Prue in issue 12. Who knows maybe they lied in Charmed again too

  • #31

    nugent (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 13:55)

    but we then see piper run to the attic (with phoebe leo and cole) in charmed again part 1... ranting "your destiny still awaits she says, there's a reason for everything she says, so let's summon her transparent butt back down here and find out exactly what that reason is" following the summoning we find out about paige.... so i dont think they lied in charmed again part 1.... im hoping more is revealed in issue 17 that can make this new revelation easier to swallow

  • #32

    nugent (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:05)

    i think what fans wanted, more than anything, was to get prue back, have her meet paige and see their relationship, maybe find out what role she played/what she knows about whats been happening in the sisters lives, and maybe find out what happened after she died and what shes been up to in the afterlife (relationship with andy etc.) plus a cool storyline to go with it.... but adding in this little bit about paige not being a full charmed one... i just feel it was a little unnecessary... there could have been so many different avenues to take prues story

  • #33

    GC (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:25)

    So the Power of Four would the anti-Power of Three...makes sense, but now I want to know how they're going to fix it...I mean, the way it's set up, it comes down to Prue or Paige in the end.

    I don't think it's so much a slap in the face for Paige, because it's true in some ways. The Power of Three versus the Power of 2.5 if you will. The Power of Three is 3 witches each with one of Melinda Warren's powers. Paige is only half witch, and her power of telekinesis is 'corrupted' by her whitelighter half. Am I the only one who saw in seasons 7 and 8 that when Paige became a whitelighter it seemed like that was her true calling? Besides, Paige continues to be a Whitelighter at the end of season 8, and Wyatt says SHE teaches him to be a good WHITELIGHTER. And, Leo tells Piper when Paige becomes a whitelighter that she and Phoebe have to learn how to get on without her, because she's a whitelighter now. I think, honestly, that this story ends with Paige conceding her place in the Power of Three to Prue, to set destiny back to how it should have been, and thus allowing Paige to focus on being a Whitelighter, because that is her true destiny. The Power of Three was always meant to be Prue, Piper, and Phoebe, but Prue died too early and someone was needed to reconstitute the Power of Three, so Prue plucked Paige from her original destiny to maintain the balance, but her place was never to be part of the Power of Three, it was always to be a whitelighter.

  • #34

    GC (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:31)

    Btw, something that always bothered me about the cover of 17 is that it doesn't look like the 'hand' (which I'm now certain is Prue) is ripping the book apart, but that it's putting it back together, which makes me think Prue is going to "heal" the power of three somehow.

  • #35

    charmedcomicfan (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:34)

    i think that it symbolises that if prue unites with her sisters again it will destroy them (that was actually theorised by prue herself in #16)

    Oh god we are talking about prue and it actually is ture, she is again a current part of charmed. Isnt this amazing?

  • #36

    nugent (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:37)

    thats an interesting theory but we see in the fast forward of forever charmed paige (while working as a whitelighter) vanquishes a dark lighter with her telekinetic orbing (she orbs the arrow back at him) also... if you think about t prue piper and phoebe arent full "witches" either... they are half mortal.... paige is in fact the only one with two magical parents so in reality they all are half witch

  • #37

    nugent (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:37)

    they all have the same amount of "witch" in them, paige just comes with something extra

  • #38

    nugent (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:38)

    yup! its awesome she is back!!!! i think if she unites it would throw the balance of power and catastrophic things would happen!

  • #39

    nugent (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:43)

    a bit off topic now.... charmed issue 17 will be print/digital the same day right? comixology they are one behind (they are up to 15) i was wondering if this print/digital same day thing is confirmed?

  • #40

    GC (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 15:44)

    Allan (Patty's father) wasn't a witch either, and neither was Grams' father, so are they only 1/8th witches then? "Witch" and "Mortal" aren't exclusive, all witches are mortal even though not all mortals are witches, a whitelighter is something different all together. Which is why Wyatt, Chris, and Melinda are half witch and half whitelighter not half whitelighter and 1/4 witch. So no, they don't have the same amount of "witch" in them. Prue, Piper, and Phoebe are 100 percent witch, but Paige is only half witch because she's half whitelighter.

  • #41

    chloefan03 (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 16:03)

    i can't believe she's back...i'm sooooo happy, i've dreamed about it so many times.....thank you paul and ZAenescope, now the charmed comics are perfect :))

  • #42

    nugent (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 16:09)

    believe me GC, i don't need a lesson on charmed.... it was a THEORY which is why if you READ i said "if you think about it..." ... and wyatt chris melinda... in fact all of their children... are half/half so are you trying to say they arent as powerful or furthermore are you trying to say that if in fact one of them do inherit the power of three they will never be as powerful as Prue Piper or Phoebe?... i dont believe that the charmed ones with Piper paige and phoebe are Charmed ones 2.5 as you put it... paige received the exact amount of "witch" as her sisters did from their mother patty... patty made that clear in charmed again "your baby half sister, but by my half which makes her a sister witch"... they get their wiccan abilities from their mother what they get from their fathers doesn't effect anything wiccan related... paige's father being half whitelighter just gives her the ability to be a whitelighter as well as a witch...

  • #43

    nugent (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 16:15)

    and again the only way prue would re-join the power of three again is if paige renounces her powers and becomes a white lighter, nothing more... but that contradicts what we saw in forever charmed ... she had her powers in the flash forward

  • #44

    Texan (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 16:58)

    Remember in the heir up there when they said pipers kids would be the new po3 and people were wondering about phoebe kids and then in the charmed offensive they revealed any of their kids could inherit it, well maybe it's the same with the prue/Paige thing. Maybe later hey'll m

  • #45

    Texan (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 16:59)

    Maybe they'll say that they were actually both meant for it like we originally thought

  • #46

    CharmedThree (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 17:28)

    Ok, I am going on based off of the plot written by MattThomas as I haven't read the issue yet.

    It does seem like a slap to the face for Paige. However, it does make sense to me. The prophecy of the Charmed Ones was meant for the first three: Prue, Piper, and Phoebe. Paige was never expected. The Power of Three was broken when Prue died, and Piper and Phoebe would certainly be dead right now if Paige wasn't forseen.

    In my thoughts, in season 3's "All Halliwell's Eve", Charlotte says that she will tell her daughter of the three powerful witches (Prue, Piper, Phoebe) who brought Melinda into the world. It seems logical that when Melinda made that prophecy, she would only make a prophecy concerning the original Charmed Ones and would only count to those three. Paige was obviously excluded.

    However, saying that Piper, Phoebe, and Paige are weaker than the original lineup, I find completely ridiculous. With Paige, the sisters managed to vanquished The Source, The Seer, Cole, The Titans, Zankou, The Triad, and Christy. That doesn't seem weak to me.

    I really hope that Ruditis had incorporated the error in season six's "I Dream Of Phoebe" when Richard wished for "The Charmed Ones alive again" as an explaination on how Prue is back.

    AHH! I'm so happy that Prue is back! So happy to say that.

  • #47

    MattThomas1992 (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:16)

    I'm so glad that Paul chose to put in how The Power of Four would be deadly, I think the concept of that would completely take away from the whole series and this way it makes it so much more interesting and even makes us want to keep the four sisters apart. However, now that Prue is back, I don't want to see her just walk off into the distance never to be seen again, nor do I want her to be killed off. Now that she's back, I think Paul will really struggle to please people when she will eventually leave. I also think the prospect of Prue taking any one of the other three sister's places is ridiculous. I hope that the next one-shot is about Prue though.

  • #48

    Megawhatz (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:43)

    I wonder if prue will stay on as a main/recurring character or just leave again.

  • #49

    charmedcomicfan (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 19:50)

    Paul read the conversation about one trio of charmed ones being more powerful than the other and asked me to pass this to you:
    Paul : I NEVER wrote one trio is more powerful than another. It is not true.

  • #50

    Jay (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 19:51)

    Man, I loved Prue's new back story. I'm okay with her appearance, though I wish she had long lush hair. Short pixie cuts do nothing for me. I don't understand why people are saying that this issue was a slap in the face for Paige. I just got the impression that Prue is still bound by the prophecy that Melinda Warren foresaw. Clearly the new Power of Three is just as powerful, but it wasn't exactly foreseen that way. Just my opinion though.

    Paul, if you're reading this, I want you to know that I really enjoy what you're doing with the series. Best of luck!

  • #51

    nugent (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:44)

    that makes so much more sense now, i just couldnt understand how paige could be discredited like that! Thanks Paul for clearing this up!!!! I freaking love you and your work!!!!!!! i check this site everyday for new updates, keep up the good work and awesome storyline with prue!!! :D

  • #52

    FANaticyeah (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 21:40)

    Can someone give a REAL review of the issue without made up stuff?

  • #53

    Ty (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 22:40)

    I've always considered the original trio to be the most powerful on two accounts; the first is that Melinda foresaw THREE sisters(Prue, Piper, and Phoebe)and Paige was completley unknown at the time and it was the orgiginal Charmed magic that Melinda witnessed as well as her mother. My second point is Prue being the oldest sister is the most powerful of all the Charmed one's due to her eldest sibling status. We saw her power advancment in the year 2009, nothing Paige could match. Prue's power's were incredible even surpassing Piper's molecular combustion and acceleration. We saw her power boost with empathy, her astral self able to become tangible with telekiesis WHILE Prue's body was still completley functional with her magic as well. These feats have nothing on Paige. Yes Paige has done some amazing stuff but not like Prue.
    I do think once Patt and Grams learned of the shattered power of three Paige could be a loop-hole, another sister witch with Telekiesis filling the void. Paige is the weakest due to being the youngest sibling. As for the Second Trio have had some amazing feats only because Prue was dead. Had Prue lived I'm sure those vanquishes would have been much easier. Yes it's a slap on the face at Paige but it was never TRULY her place to be as a Charmed one she was just an easy replacemet, at first Phoebe and Piper saw that too, Paige as nothing more but a replacement for Prue, but as they grew as sisters so did the bound of the trio and she became a vital part to the charmed circle with or without Prue

  • #54

    P4fan4evr (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 23:32)

    paul already said the whole "charmed ones with paige is weaker" thing is NOT true.... he never said that, the review that's up is wrong in that aspect...

  • #55

    P4fan4evr (Wednesday, 30 November 2011 23:41)

    so if anyone thinks paige is not meant for the circle or she is weaker, it's solely their opinion...

    Interesting to note though... Prue's death was forshadowded... once with the crow landing on the window sill after The Good the bad and the cursed, then the whole convo with death at the end of death takes a halliwell... plus piper gaining her new power of combustion could be seen, in the charmed universe, as destiny preparing her to take over as the oldest, the strongest... obviously it was known earlier on that the writers were going to write prue off, why else would all the foreshadowing been there, but it works in the context of the charmed universe. I wonder if this will be explored in the comics, maybe giving a reason behind prue's death?!

  • #56

    CharmedThree (Thursday, 01 December 2011 00:37)

    What a relief. Thank goodess it is not true about the whole "power struggle" ordeal.

    I liked this incoming plot of Paige only being a replacement for The Power of Three. However, Piper, Phoebe, and Prue know that Paige is not a replacement, but a sister.

    It will give Paige a time in the spotlight, which she rarely had in the television show. It also goes back to what the creators wanted when the show was being conceived a show "not about witches who happen to be sisters, but sisters who happen to be witches." Which, in my opinion, the show lost around the fifth season.

  • #57

    chloefan03 (Thursday, 01 December 2011 04:43)

    i LOVE the fact that Charon was mentioned, i always thought that her storyline had to be more developed:) and i have just one question, Prue was alive again before or after season 7's finale cause i loved the idea of her closing the manor's door....

  • #58

    MattThomas1992 (Thursday, 01 December 2011 06:59)

    Prue and Cole's conversation, word for word:

    P: Like you said, it's hard to move on when something's holding you back. With the prophecy unfulfilled, I couldn't move on. Not entirely. Oh, sure, the Angels of Destiny allowed me to join my family in the beyond. I reunited with Andy. But part of me was still trapped between life and death. It was tearing my soul apart. I lashed out at everyone for no reason. Andy suffered the most. But he wouldn't let me go. I thought if I helped Piper and Phoebe find Paige the prophecy would transfer to her and everything would be fine. Then I left them alone to let the power grow without any interference. But the prophecy was meant for Piper, Phoebe, and me. The power wasn't supposed to transfer to anyone. As long as I still had a connection to the Warren line I would always be tied to my sisters, stopping them from realizing their full power. I had to go someplace to be alone. I chose a quiet corner of the Astral plane.

    C: I suspect it didn't solve the problem, though.

    P: If it had, do you think I'd be in this body now? I could still feel our bond tearing at me. Even worse, I was holding them back. How else do you think that little blonde and her sister were such a threat to the Charmed Ones? Ultimate Power my ass. I thought if I returned to the Earthly plane and used my magic to help the innocent as it was intended that might make a difference. I found a witch that Charon the soul collector had gone after. She was in a coma. Brain dead. No chance of recovery. I sort of...took over.

    C: How enterprising.

    P:I finally felt whole again. The bond with my sisters was back immediately. In this new body every time I use magic I feel it. But that's not all. It didn't take long for me to realize I was growing stronger. And I could feel Piper, Phoebe, and Paige get stronger too.

    C: But why are you hiding? If you're more powerful, why not unite with your sisters? The four of you could be a force to be reckoned with.

    P: You really don't understand how prophecies work, do you? Melinda Warren didn't foresee a Power of Four. Paige and I share one of Melinda's three powers. Piper and Phoebe have the other two. That's the only way the power of three could continue on without me. If we ever got together, I doubt it would make us stronger. It would probably weaken the power of the Charmed ones even more. For all I know, the reaction could be cataclysmic. We're not supposed to be four sisters together. That's not what was foreseen. I've got to keep my distance. From all the Warrens. It's the only way to keep the family safe.

  • #59

    GC (Thursday, 01 December 2011 07:37)

    "But the prophecy was meant for Piper, Phoebe, and me."

    Exactly. Thus my point, it was never Paige's destiny to be a Charmed One, it became her destiny because Prue died too early, but she was essentially plucked from her original destiny, which was to be a Whitelighter. And thus the Power of Three suffers because Paige is caught in a dual destiny that was never meant for her.

  • #60

    FANaticyeah (Thursday, 01 December 2011 10:40)

    Omg, I love the Billie and Christy reference. Finally, an explanation as to why the so-called "Ultimate Power" could even match the Charmed Ones. Paul really has all of my respect. He really is tying up every loose end and trying to correct the mistakes of Brad Kern and his writers.

  • #61

    StoryGirl83 (Thursday, 01 December 2011 10:56)

    You should be able to get them from comiXology's website. Even if you can't get that app (as I understand some can't), you should still be able to get them from their website and read them there. And it's only 1.99 per issue. Starting in January they will be available the same day as the print copy comes out and already they have through issue #15 up on their site.

  • #62

    lich (Thursday, 01 December 2011 11:58)

    I don´t get why everyone thinks that Paige´s destiny was to be some stupid whitelighter. OK, she wasn´t supposed to be Charmed One, but why whitelighter? She has powers to be one, but because she´s my favorite sister, i hope her destiny is something better than ordinary whitelighter.

  • #63

    p3nathan (Thursday, 01 December 2011 13:34)

    Paige is still a witch-whitelighter hybrid. That won't change, regardless of who the propechy was meant for.

  • #64

    lich (Thursday, 01 December 2011 14:31)

    I know. It´s just, i would hate Charmed Ones without her.

  • #65

    p3nathan (Thursday, 01 December 2011 14:42)

    I'm with you on that actually... I'm hoping they'll find a way to channel Prue's power without Paige renouncing her Charmed status

  • #66

    lich (Thursday, 01 December 2011 15:21)

    That would be interesting, although i wouldn´t mind if Prue would die, but this time with complete moving to afterlife.

  • #67

    p4fan4evr (Thursday, 01 December 2011 20:34)

    @GC .. I agree with everyone else.. idk where you're getting this "pluck from her ORIGINAL destiny as a whitelighter" thing... in no way does it say that.. or having paige stuck in a dual destiny... idk what comic your reading but i dont see it said anywhere paige is caught in a "dual destiny" nor does the dialogue posted above say anything about the charmed ones being less strong with paige because shes hybrid...

    i can see how it can be interpreted (regarding what i read above) that paige is not a true charmed one therefore they were never as strong, but on the flip side it can also be taken as piper and phoebe werent as strong either, prue included, whereas prue piper and phoebe all added to each others strength collectively.. once paige came in.. all FOUR girls were dependent on each other, which is why once prue regained strength (and life) so did Piper phoebe and paige.... the 4 girls are connected now yet if they unite physically things will go a little crazy

    again i can see how it can be interpreted that the charmed ones with paige werent as strong, paige is not really meant to be a charmed one etc... but paul said he never wrote that and it's not true so im going to go with the explanation that once paige was brought into the fold, all FOUR girls "feed", in a sense, off each other's strength..... they are all bound to each other and when paige came in she became bound to her three sisters as well......... kind of like the secret circle (for anyone who watches)

  • #68

    p4fan4evr (Thursday, 01 December 2011 20:37)

    let me clarify... once PRUE DIED.. piper phoebe and prue all werent strong anymore (magically) and once paige came in she became bound to her sisters as well but because one was still dead and missing from the collective... ALL FOUR could never reach their potential

  • #69

    p4fan4evr (Thursday, 01 December 2011 20:39)

    prue was in agony in the afterlife, and piper phoebe and paige were missing a member of the collective so all four were not at their full potential

  • #70

    StoryGirl83 (Thursday, 01 December 2011 22:29)

    @p4fan4ever - That's how I read it, too, that they weren't able to reach their full potential. It's not that that one group was stronger or weaker than the other, it's that they never were as strong as they could be. They could be stronger then they are, they have more potential then they are fulfilling. And frankly that's actually pretty smart to go that way, because it opens the door for so much, for them to grow and that growing to make sense in universe.

  • #71

    Val (Friday, 02 December 2011 09:17)

    Of course, I like that Prue has finally returned, but I wish I could see her in her own body... Let's write a petition asking the authors of comics finally get permission to use Shannen Doherty's likeness...

  • #72

    Megawhatz (Friday, 02 December 2011 12:14)

    Did Andy or charo appear in the comics or were they just mentioned??? Also when Prue was telling Cole the story did it just show her and Cole spoeaking or did it flashback to the things she was talking about?

  • #73

    charmedcomicfan (Friday, 02 December 2011 12:21)

    Andy can be seen in one scene, charon only mentioned, there are 4 panels of the 4 girls (Prue as Patience lifting a whole car) showing how their powers grew

  • #74

    Megawhatz (Friday, 02 December 2011 12:32)

    @charmedcomicfan - Thanks :) And for the other 3 what did it show them doing as part of their advancement???

  • #75

    charmedcomicfan (Friday, 02 December 2011 12:33)

    val : believe me the writer and zenescope would love to use shannen's likeness but Its not up to them

  • #76

    charmedcomicfan (Friday, 02 December 2011 12:48)

    If i understand well Piper is using her powers to fire the cooking stove, Paige uses Orb Shield and Phoebe looks shocked or surprised (probably having a big premonition or something)

    As for other flashbacks:
    -We see the real Patience in the hospital bed while she was in coma
    -Paige Piper and Phoebe under the chandalier in Charmed again
    -The Photo Tess has drawn of the girls
    -Andy,Patty , Grams welcoming Prue in afterlife (but that is just 2 panels no other info given,no dialogue, they are just laughing at Prue but Prue is not visible as the camera suggests we see them in first person)
    -Also there is a flashback of when cole was still with Phoebe
    -and some backstory flashbacks of the origins of whitelighters

  • #77

    charmedcomicfan (Friday, 02 December 2011 12:58)

    The last paige of the issue REALLY set up the base for a Prue-Paige meeting

  • #78

    p4fan4evr (Friday, 02 December 2011 13:11)

    so cool! too bad we didnt see prue in the afterlife with her family though rather her being off camera ...... even if they didnt draw prue too look like shannen, just have the generic similarities, dark hair light eyes etc.. it would have only been for one panel or so... fans could have dealt with it... when they first showed grams in the comics (issue 5 i believe) it didnt look like grams but we knew it was her... since they are drawings fans dont expect them to look EXACTLY like the actresses anyway! It would have been cool to see prue over patience body even if it was an aerial view, see a dark head of hair and a body standing over patiences . Since piper phoebe and leo would recognize prue soul, they would see prue not patience so i wonder how they are going to show that!

  • #79

    p4fan4evr (Friday, 02 December 2011 13:13)

    and i wonder is prue can still astral project.. if so technically prues soul (that looks like prue) would astral out

  • #80

    Megawhatz (Friday, 02 December 2011 13:31)

    @charmedcomicfan - Thanks :)
    @p4fan4ever - I was thinking about that too but what they might say is that Prue got Patience's powers and tit just happened to be telekenesis.

  • #81

    Lucy (Friday, 02 December 2011 14:30)

    @charmedcomicfan- why? what happens in the last page?

  • #82

    StoryGirl83 (Friday, 02 December 2011 16:02)

    @Lucy - Rennek used the Jewel of Orthon to control Bailey in order that she might suggest that Sarah is a good recruit for magic school. And since Prue is working with Sarah, chances are they are going to end up meeting. And that could be trouble. Hopefully fixable trouble.

  • #83

    JoshingAbout (Friday, 02 December 2011 21:53)

    I'm getting my copy of #14 and #16 later today ^_^ I've not read any major spoilers for #16 - I've only read that it reveals what Leo is now and that Prue, Andy and Charon are mentioned... that's all I need to know to keep me excited!

    I do hope it shines some more light on what Alexis and Rennek are up to, along with what's up with Knox Academy. I'm not completely convinced that it's a 'neutral alternative' to magic ...

  • #84

    carlosS (Saturday, 03 December 2011 01:48)

    i really belive the writers are saving a huge sorprise for us. if shannens likenesses cant be used WHY WAS HER PHOTO ON SOME COVERS?... so i think this is only creative writing, they want to make us belive we will never see prues likenesses but as the story progresses theyll show us the real prue as a HUGE sorprise! or may be is just me being optimistic xD i hope im right

  • #85

    CharmedThree (Saturday, 03 December 2011 02:01)

    @ carlosS I was thinking the same thing, but for now I'm not hoping for it and I'm pleased of what we are getting so far. Shannen Doherty's photo is property to Charmed. I don't know if they need her permission to use her photos, they probably do. If they do, then my guess is that she doesn't mind having her actual pictures being shown. Keep in mind the only time we actually see her full face is in issue #0. Think of it like how Shannen's photo uses were allowed on the Charmed dvds, Charmed novels, and Charmed magazines.

    If we have another Q & A with Paul Ruditis, we should ask him how the process of gaining someone's likeness is like, especially if they want a likeness of an unknown actor who had a major role in an episode in the series (ex. Tyler Black as Tyler). Such as do they have to pay them, contracts required,

  • #86

    ArdentCharmedfan (Saturday, 03 December 2011)

    I do not know about anyone else, but I would say that things are getting more ridiculous here. The part about Prue being unable to move on completely to the afterlife because of the prophecy of the Charmed Ones is quite reasonable, but the parts about Paige never meant to become a Charmed One and disaster striking if all four sisters were reunited seems harsh and nonsensical. What is wrong about there being a Power of Four? Just because Melinda Warren never foresaw it happening does not mean that it would never happen, nor would it be a bad thing. I mean, one vital lesson constantly taught in the Charmed universe is that the future is never utterly set in stone, and is as unpredictable and ever-changing as the weather. Then again, this is just purely what I think of the current situation.

  • #87

    Val (Saturday, 03 December 2011 03:19)

    But they used photo of little Prue in "Charmed Offensive", and she resembles Shannen Doherty...

  • #88

    p4fan4evr (Saturday, 03 December 2011 03:25)

    since powers occupy both body and soul (powers remain with souls when they pass on as well as being in someone's blood) it would stand to reason that whatever powers patience had, prue would have as well... prue has her own powers (powers that remained with her soul) and patience powers which would be in the blood

  • #89

    p4fan4evr (Saturday, 03 December 2011 03:28)

    so im excited to see if paul sticks with that and gives prue a few new powers and

    @ArdentCharmedfan lets wait and see what further explanations they give in the upcoming issue... there was a similar discrepancy with the twice blessed prophecy a few issue back and which set of children would inherit the power of three and at the end of the arc it working itself out

  • #90

    fxrocks (Saturday, 03 December 2011 04:56)

    @Val did she ? I don't think so. The little Prue from the family picture in issue 11 didn't have Shannen's beauty mark or blue/green eyes. I think she was drew to look like her sisters not Shannen. Plus, I really don't think they would lied to us saying that they can't use Shannen's likeness. Personnaly, I thought that I would hate the fact that Prue would come back without Shannen's likeness but I actually like it. It is something the show could've done :)
    I can't wait to get Issue 17 now >.<

  • #91

    Val (Saturday, 03 December 2011 06:17)

    I also like that Prue has finally come back, even without Shannen's likeness, but Prue can't live in Patience's body for a long time...

  • #92

    StoryGirl83 (Saturday, 03 December 2011 08:31)

    @JoshingAbout - Nothing about Knox's school, but that story didn't feel finished, so I hope there's more in another issue.

    @carlosS - It's possible they may still be working on trying to get permission to use her likeness, but I don't think Paul lied to us, so I don't think that even if they get permission it will be used in this story arc, because I believe this story arc is completely mapped out.

    @CharmedThree - If I understand correctly, they don't need permission to use promo pictures, but screenshots from the show or any additional likenesses of Prue in Charmed stories, they do. It has something to do with how her original contract with those making Charmed was written. They other actresses, as far as I understand, did not have this type of contract.

    Oh, it's Alex Black. I'm guessing you knew that and mistyped, but I wanted to make sure others who didn't know that could look for the riight name. I don't think Paul has anything to do with getting the rights for likenesses, so he may not know the answer to that question. I'd try asking him on twitter to test the waters first. Of course, he may just not answer as he does sometimes.

    @fxrocks - Exactly! Tess told us that she deliberately made sure they didn't resemble the (young) actresses, so I'm betting that she deliberately made sure they didn't resemble the adult ones either.

    @Val - I think you are probably right and once she is no longer able to use Patience's body, where will that leave us? I guess we will find out at the end of the story arc.

  • #93

    BellBoy1750 (Saturday, 03 December 2011 16:04)

    It is kind of a slap in the face to Paige. I thought witches had their powers from the womb, like when Phoebe gave her mother a premonition. Paige always had her telekinetic powers, which I think means that she was always meant to take Prue's place. I don't think the prophecy was specifically meant for the oldest three, just for three of them. Melinda saw three witches; she didn't elaborate on which ones. Prue/Patience is probably wrong about that, as well as everything else. I think their powers move on with their spirits after they die, so Prue would still have hers, she just wouldn't be a Charmed One anymore. That makes more sense. I'm guessing that there's more to it. Have to wait and see.

  • #94

    charmedcomicfan (Saturday, 03 December 2011 16:30)

    Paige never had telekinetic powers before she met her sisters. She only had her orbing power

  • #95

    MattThomas1992 (Saturday, 03 December 2011 17:36)

    Yeah, I believe that their powers are directly linked with the prophecy, whereas others in the Warren line did not have the prophecy to assign them powers. I'm guessing that as Paige only got her telekinetic powers due to the need to continue the prophecy, she would not have had an active power before this, just whitelighter and passive witch powers. So if Phoebe had died and not Prue, I assume that Paige would have gotten Phoebe's active powers. Not to say that Prue's powers were taken away from her in death, just that the prophecy caused Paige to also have the power.

  • #96

    p4fan4evr (Saturday, 03 December 2011 17:57)

    @belboy1750 I like to think that paige was meant to be a charmed one too that it was her destiny, not this whole "not meant to be paige" argument thats been going on... but if you look at a few posts earlier on i explained what i think the dialogue between cole and prue meant.. an explanation that makes a bit more sense as well as what i think makes all the sister equal in the context of the charmed universe, as well as the eyes of the fans... cause lets be honest... these sister are like OUR own siblings..... some of use grew up with them and no fan wants to think one sister is less important than the others

  • #97

    p4fan4evr (Saturday, 03 December 2011 18:09)

    and regarding the power thing (based off the series and the comics) we saw when piper got her molecular combustion leo tell her that the elders would not have given her the power had she not been ready... plus we see elders take away powers in the episode crimes and witch demeanors..... so they do have control..... we also see that mortals cant stand to have witch powers for too long.... when the doctor infused himself with the magical blood he was dying... now adding in the all from the comics... it is said my neena that a part of the all resides in witchs which is why they have powers.. so it stands to reason that because witchs- because they have the all- are ABLE to have powers...which is why elders give it to them (witches are essentially mortals who have the ability to have powers is what im getting at)...... so paige... since she is a witch- but the elders didnt know about her - never received a power from them but once they found out about her they gave her the power of telekinesis.... her whitelighter powers.. they came directly from her father.... her father was a whtelighter he had whitelighter blood no mortal blood... there was no way of her getting around having whitelighter powers... now if it turns out that we find out in the comics paige WAS born telekinetic and grams bound it etc then we'd have to see where that story goes.

  • #98

    p4fan4evr (Saturday, 03 December 2011 18:13)

    i also dont want to give too much credit to prophecies just yet... up until this point i look at them as just that.. prophecies... warnings or tellings of a great future event.. until we know for sure that it has ACTUAL power thats how im going to treat it

  • #99

    StoryGirl83 (Saturday, 03 December 2011 18:23)

    I think some witches (like Phoebe and Wyatt) had their powers from the womb. Others (like all the other children of the Charmed Ones) came into theirs as toddlers or even infants. Still others (like Max and Tyler, assuming Tyler is actually a witch, since not all firestarters are witches) came into them as adolescents. And there's others still (like Billie) who came into them as adults. Did all of them have their powers mapped out from the very beginning? I don't know, but I kind of doubt it. It seemed that they came into their powers when they needed them and that these powers were not set in stone. I can't prove this however since we saw very little of alternate futures and those we did see did not focus so much on the powers. However, it's not been seen as of yet that Piper can freeze anywhere near as much as she did in Morality Bites and their powers actually changed when they were temporarily warlocks (which gives me the idea that set on that different path they would have gained different powers). The closest Piper has gotten to freezing as in MB, lest anyone bring it up, to my memory is in No Rest For the Wicca.

    I don't think it's a slap in Paige's face, even if she wasn't meant to be a Charmed One. First, not been meant to be something doesn't mean that you can't do a superb job at it. Second, not being meant to be something implies that there is something which you were meant to be, but nothing says you have to be that other thing. In fact sometimes you are better at the thing you weren't meant to be then you are meant to be. Third, not being meant to be doesn't mean you can't be it. Clearly, meant to be or not, Paige IS Charmed.

    And Prue didn't say that their second set of Charmed Ones was weaker than the first. She said they weren't as strong as they could be, because she (Prue) was holding them back. The power of four doesn't work, so she had to find a way to break the bond and death clearly didn't do a good enough job of it. And she still hasn't broken the bond or their wouldn't be disaster coming if she gets too close to her sisters.

  • #100

    MattThomas1992 (Saturday, 03 December 2011 18:45)

    Yeah, I took it that the bond stretched to the afterlife caused the Power of Three to be weakened, but as soon as Prue returned to earth, the bond wasn't as stretched and allowed them to have more space with their powers

  • #101

    BellBoy1750 (Sunday, 04 December 2011 00:26)

    Yes, but if you remember the first season episode, "That 70's Show", Prue and Piper both had their powers before Phoebe was born. The prophecy didn't dictate, but merely reflected what was. If it did, one would think that they wouldn't have received their powers until after they were all present. I'm guessing Paige's witch powers were bound at birth. I don't think the Elders are absolutely in charge of what power goes to whom. I mean, look at Wyatt. He has all those powers; I think he took all those powers from the All, as opposed to being given, which is what I think also happened with Prue, Piper, Phoebe, and Paige. Charmed or not, they're still witches. Paige would still have her wiccan powers; she just wouldn't be a Charmed one. One thing I think we can all agree on is the fact that maintaining continuity has always been a problem for Charmed.

  • #102

    p4fan4evr (Sunday, 04 December 2011 00:56)

    @bellboy1750 true unless wyatt, being as powerful as he is, caused his powers to evolve rapidly..... also... it may not be the elders but angels of destiny who determine who gets what powers... just a theory....

    and if paige was bound as a child then why werent her whitelighter powers bound as well.... unless whitelighter powers dont bind.. but in that case, in the context of continuity it would seem a bit farfetched that it just so happens that the witch (prue) with the same powers as paige dies... it would seem too coincidental... if they did want to play it that way then they could say that that is why prue died... paige also was a telekinetic which and destiny needed to make room for her... play it that way which would be interesting.. but i still think she didnt have a power until she became charmed and she was granted with the power that would complete the circle

  • #103

    p4fan4evr (Sunday, 04 December 2011 00:57)

    with the wyatt thing i mean that the elders gave him a power and that power grew rapidly... or they just gave him all those powers because of who he was... twiced blessed and all... i mean we see them do it with melinda in the heir up there

  • #104

    p4fan4evr (Sunday, 04 December 2011 00:59)

    and regarding continuity... i hope the comics try very hard to stick with continuity because i love them and consider them canon (it is season 9!) so any holes or question i hope they fill in

  • #105

    StoryGirl83 (Sunday, 04 December 2011 07:20)

    @Bellboy1770 - They had their powers before Phoebe was born, yes, but not before Phoebe came into her powers since she had them in the womb. We don't know how long they had their powers before that episode.

  • #106

    BellBoy1750 (Sunday, 04 December 2011 10:40)

    But I think Paige would've still had some type of active Wiccan power, even if she weren't charmed. I mean, if their powers were that dependent on the power of three, then Piper and Phoebe would've lost access to their powers when Prue died, being that there wasn't a third to complete the circle, as you say. And I think Elders only granted extensions of their primary powers. Like Prue's primary power being telekinesis, Piper's molecular immobilization. Grams and Patty may've not known about Paige's white-lighter heritage; they thought she was just another witch like the other three. I'm sorry but I just feel that Paige always had her active wiccan power; she just didn't have access to it. She had that power because she was destined to become a Charmed One, reconstituting the power of three after Prue died. In the first episode, Phoebe awakened the powers of the Charmed Ones, which wasn't Paige, at least not yet. They shared the power of three because they had a special bond as sisters; they weren't even aware of Paige's existence. It makes sense to me that since the Charmed Ones' powers were unbound after Phoebe read the spell, then Paige wouldn't be telekinetic until she became Charmed as well. Just tossing out ideas here, people. I just think the prophecy was more of a reflection than a dictation.

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  • #108

    CarlosS (Monday, 05 December 2011 02:13)

    - The elders dont choose what power goes to what witch. They just have the power to take it away by bounding them.

    - Powers comes from dna and destiny, thats why paiges daughters got pipers powers.

    -Paige only had whitelighter powers growing up thats how she scaped the car accident. Prue, Piper and phoebe fulfilled the prophesy having one of melindas active powers each. There was no power for paige, she got prues cuz she died. in Charmed Again Piper said: "The prophesy said each sister has one of the powers so should be able to move things with your mind, telekinesis" (not exacly in those words) so she explains she got a mixed version of telekinesis with her whitelighter powers.

    - Another point, remember the delay in the CHARMED DVDS? it was because they werent aloud to use SHANNEN LIKENESSES in the cover, thats what toke so long. And doesnt matter if its a picture or a painting, they cant use shannen image for comercial purposes without her concent, and cover sell, so theres something going on there.

  • #109

    p4fan4evr (Monday, 05 December 2011 02:52)

    @carlos elders do have the ability to grant powers... leo says the elders gave piper he power of molecular combustion... watch the episode where she gets them back

  • #110

    p4fan4evr (Monday, 05 December 2011 02:54)

    issue 7 the heir up there is all about the elders GRANTING melinda powers...

  • #111

    BellBoy1750 (Monday, 05 December 2011 12:38)

    @ carlos...I know I'm sound like a broken record here, but the one thing I can't seem to get past is why wouldn't Paige have an active witch power? I mean, she's still a witch. The prophecy said there would only be three witches with those powers. If their powers depended entirely on the power of three, then wouldn't Phoebe and Piper have lost their powers when Prue died; there's no more power of three. They didn't; their powers were weakened but not lost. Paige's witch powers must've been bound by Grams. She was born with the telekinetic power, just like Prue, but wouldn't have been a Charmed One since she shared no bond with her sisters. The prophecy said there would be three witches each possessing a power of Melinda Warren and there was (Prue, Piper, Phoebe; Piper, Phoebe, Paige). I think like any other witch the Charmed Ones would have a set of active powers; like I said earlier, they didn't have active powers due to the power of three, but their powers were enhanced by it. I just feel Paige wouldn't just have her whitelighter powers but also her witch powers, regardless of whether or not she was a Charmed One. This is just a theory I'm throwing out here, but I kinda think I'm right. I apologize if I'm being a dick about it.

  • #112

    p4fan4evr (Monday, 05 December 2011 17:10)

    @bellboy1750 the sister definitely had their powers before phoebe was born, no doubt, i just think that since the elders didnt know about paige she never received a power.. meaning i think the elders grant say that the un-known sister, who was needed to reconstitute the power of three, just so happens to have the same powers as the sister that died makes paige's existence in the world seem too contrived..... the way paige was brought on, in my opinion was done SO WELL, it didn't seem contrived at all... her existence was very believable...... thats why i think we should wait and see where the story goes and what else is revealed in the next issue

  • #113

    p4fan4evr (Monday, 05 December 2011 17:53)

    ...this is kind of a random question that maybe someone can help me with... issue 4 when the source is attacking... the paige where piper pulls into the driveway and phoebe and piage orb in.... are the "soundeffects eeooooeeeooo" and "skreesshhh" cut off in the hardcopy too or is it only in the digital... i have the digital version and idk if the paige was uploaded wrong or thats how it is in the hard!

  • #114

    CharmedThree (Monday, 05 December 2011 18:10)

    @p4fan4evr I don't have the copy with me, but if memory serves right, it is in the hardcopy. Keep in mind I could be wrong.

    My theory is that Paige was gifted with the telekinetic power at birth. I believe there are at least four known ways to receive powers.

    1. Stealing from from another magical being.
    2. Original powers grow into new ones.
    3. The Elders give witches powers (ex. Piper and molecular combustion as stated in "The Demon Who Came In From The Cold).
    4. They are naturally born with it (ex. Prue and telekinesis, Piper and molecular immobilization, and Phoebe and premonition).

    I believe that Paige's powers were bound as an infant, probably by Grams and they were unlocked in "Charmed Again". However, if they were bound, why were the Whitelighter powers not bound as well?

    Someone posted above (don't remember who) and asked that if phoebe casted the spell to unleash the Charmed Ones magic in the pilot episode, why weren't Paige's? I believe that the spell only had an affect on Prue, Piper, and Phoebe because it was meant for those three. This issue kinda wraps up the loose tie as well. The prophecy called on three sisters, not four. The prophecy was specially made for Prue, Piper, and Phoebe, not Paige. Obviously destiny had different ideas and Paige was made out of destiny.

    If you don't understand what I mean then use the example of Supernatural. Season 5 was suppose to be the end of Dean and Sam's fight against evil, so in a way, their destiny was fulfilled. However, in season 6, Fate mentioned that they both were able to escape their destinies and now she's trying to tie up loose ends. Maybe that's what Ruditis was trying to get at in this issue.

    Just a thought.

  • #115

    Kody (Monday, 05 December 2011 22:02)

    Uhmm, I completely believe that all these theories and explanations are each plausible in their own way, but I agree with those that said Paige was not meant for the power of three destiny. It's not that she couldn't be apart of it, but it was just not for her. It's like when your parents buy a family plan of four for a family of five, and your older siblings will get the phones because they're older. That's it, for me.

    I agree that she has to have an independent active power. Logically speaking, she is still a witch and she should have an active power. However, telekinesis was not it. Just as telekinesis was Prue's and Freezing was Piper's and so on, Something was Paige's. It would be very redundant for Paige to be born with telekinesis because Prue already had it and Paige's tk would play second fiddle to Prue "oldest power of one" tk. Now seeing that Paige can construct orb shields, I believe her natural active power without charmed interference would have been shielding (but with a white lighter twist). Just like how Paige's twins inherited Piper's powers, so has Wyatt inherited Paige's power. See the parallelism. And that's it. Oh and Paige could've been a substitute for the power of three. You know, like the one extra player on the sidelines that plays when one of the in players gets injured. Nothing against her character or to her fans, but she is just that; an extra (unforeseen) sister that came in to complete the power of THREE when one of the original sisters died. So her tk orb was just an effect of the charmed interference. The likelihood of her getting orb-freezing or orb-prem was relatively high is either piper or phoebe had died instead of Prue.

    And end. Sorry for the ramble, but I had to just input my opinions cuz it looked pretty fun. And please take this with a grain of salt, because it's just an opinion.

  • #116

    p3nathan (Tuesday, 06 December 2011 08:39)

    So what effect does Piper's MA have on the iron doors? Does she melt them?

  • #117

    StoryGirl83 (Tuesday, 06 December 2011 12:44)

    @p3nathan - What do you mean? Phoebe knocked. The doors opened. It was after the doors opened that they had problems.

  • #118

    StoryGirl83 (Tuesday, 06 December 2011 12:52)

    @p3nathan - Sorry, I reread that part. Piper DID NOT try to use her melting power on the door. She did try (off page) to blow up the door.

    Unknown (probably Piper): Obviously, we need more power.
    Piper: My explosion power should have at least scorched those doors.
    Leo: If we can't blast them, orb through them, use my sword on them, kick them in, how do we get them open?
    Paige: Maybe we should knock.
    Phoebe: Why not? (Knocks)
    Paige: I was kidding.

    Does that help?

  • #119

    p3nathan (Tuesday, 06 December 2011 13:35)

    Yes it does, thank you. :)

  • #120

    Megawhatz (Tuesday, 06 December 2011 16:30)

    So does piper use her 'Molecular acceleration power at all?

  • #121

    MattThomas1992 (Tuesday, 06 December 2011)

    @Kody, I actually believe that as there were 3 powers specified by Melinda and 4 sisters, Paige ended up with the short straw and got no active powers, she'd still be a witch, just not one with physical powers.

  • #122

    BellBoy1750 (Wednesday, 07 December 2011 11:22)

    @CharmedThree...finally someone in my corner. I don't think it's so hard to believe that Paige was born w/ the power of TK orbing instead of just being granted it. Even if she weren't a Charmed One, she'd still be a witch with an active power; her powers just wouldn't be enhanced by the power of three. Melinda foresaw three good witches that made up the power of three, which is what happened. Three witches (Prue, Piper, Phoebe) and (Piper, Phoebe, Paige). Paige having the power of TK orbing doesn't take away from Prue's TK. I'm also guessing that when binding someone's powers, it depends on what type of species is being bound, (demon, whitelighter, witch, firestarter). I'm just going to assume that Grams/Patty bound Paige's witch powers, but not her whitelighter powers since they probably weren't aware that she had any; they probably thought she was just like her older sisters. What I'm saying is that maybe with hybrids it requires both knowledge and intent to successfully bind someone, rendering them powerless. There are other witches beside Prue who possess the power of TK; just because Paige wasn't originally a part of the Charmed Ones doesn't mean she wouldn't have had an active witch power. I'm just tossing out theories here, people; just tossing out fishing lines, waitin' for somethin' to bite.

  • #123

    StoryGirl83 (Wednesday, 07 December 2011 13:59)

    @BellBoy1750 - You want theories, I'll throw around some that I've had at various points, none of which have been proven or disproven.

    Theory 1) Melinda Warren was another of Paige's past lives and although she has shown them yet, Paige has all three of Melinda's powers. It has been pointed out to me that Melinda was summoned during Paige's life, however, I got the idea from the wording that they summoned her from the past. She seemed to imply that although she had been taken prisoner she hadn't been killed yet.

    Theory 2) Paige has baby versions of her all three powers. She developed her telekinetic one, because that was what she focused on. Her baby version of Phoebe's power is her sensing ability. Like her ability to orb objects is a mixture of telekinetics with her whitelighter powers, sensing also plays on her whitelighter half. Her baby power version of Piper's power is uncertain, but it could be that she is a little faster than otherwise or since Piper's power seems to be one of molecules rather than time, it could be that this ability is a combination with her ability to glamour.

    I do agree with you that binding whitelighter powers is probably not the same as binding witch powers and if Paige's abilities were bound when she was a baby, then it is entirely possible that her whitelighter abilities weren't simply because no one knew about them.

    Another theory which fits more into what you said is that maybe the powers were being cycled. Maybe if Patty had had five daughters, the fifth one would have had powers to match Patty's and Piper's. And if she'd had a sixth, then that daughter would have had powers to match Phoebe's. In other words, maybe if it had been Piper or Phoebe who had died, then Paige showing up would have done no good, there would have been no bringing back the power of three.

    Or maybe they aren't Charmed (though I sincerly doubt this theory). Maybe they are something else, something that is equally important and equally great. Again, I doubt that theory. After all, if they aren't, it sure is the world's best kept secret. And besides the prophecy says that the Charmed Ones would be the greatest force for good (or something like that . . . feel free to tell me the exact wording, especially if that's not what it says), so if they aren't Charmed and they accomplished more than Prue, Piper, and Phoebe, then something's not right here. So I think they are Charmed, but it's just a theory. So why not throw it around.

  • #124

    charmedcomicfan (Wednesday, 07 December 2011 14:09)

    about theory 1) didnt paul say that if a ghost has been reborn then the ghost doesnt exist anymore? So if Melinda is Paige's past life her ghost cant exist, but as we know from issue 11,12 it does

  • #125

    felix (Wednesday, 07 December 2011 15:00)

    What I don't understant is the whole Alexi, Mirror, Knox Academy, Purple Jewel, Renneck story. Could someone explain?

  • #126

    StoryGirl83 (Wednesday, 07 December 2011 15:01)

    @CharmedComicFan - You're right. I was only considering the TV show epwhen I wrote that. I forgot about her appearances in the comics, so that theory doesn't work for this. Any other comments about other ones of my theories?

  • #127

    StoryGirl83 (Wednesday, 07 December 2011 15:05)

    @Felix - I think that one is still being flushed out. I do get that Rennek is trying to cause trouble, probably in the form of whatever will happen should Prue get to close to her sisters. He probably learned from Alexi that Prue was around and what would happen if she got to close to her sisters, and he's using the jewel or Orthon to control people. Not sure what he made Knox do, but obviously he made Bailey tell Paige to look for Sarah which will get Paige pretty close to Prue. The mirror I think is just Alexi's meathod of seeing her visions.

  • #128

    Felix (Wednesday, 07 December 2011 17:20)

    Thanks for explaining! So the jewel controls people and the mirror is like a crystal ball.

  • #129

    yemi1010 (Thursday, 08 December 2011 01:42)

    I think that Paige did have tk orbing since birth but they were dormant. Phoebe said bring the power to we sisters THREE not four, so i think her wiccan powers werent activated until she was in the physical presence of her other two sisters. She may have been a witch since birth but she wasn't charmed until that meeting. So yeah, telekinesis was recycled because Melinda didnt have a fourth power.
    Concerning the Elders i dont think they can just give powers but they can bring them out. Paige's kids showed that all of Piper's powers are in her dna. The Elders just awakened them in Piper.

  • #130

    yemi1010 (Thursday, 08 December 2011 01:52)

    I have a few questions. First goes to @kody, i didnt get what the parallelism had to do with your statement.
    Second, did Piper use MA at all during the issue?
    And third can someone describe the panel where Prue lifts the car? What does she use crystals for?

  • #131

    StoryGirl83 (Thursday, 08 December 2011 11:24)

    @Felix - Glad that helped.

    @yemi1010 - To your second question, no, Piper did not use it at all. However, according to what Paul said in response to a question I got, they are all the same power. The part that allows her to melt stuff was not used at all, only the part that allows her to blow stuff up. She tried (off screen) to blow up the door and then she made small explosions below them to help lift the, up. All three sisters had to work together to get across the weapons field.

    To your third question, it looks like the car had gone off a cliff and that she caught it mid air. Presumably she brought it back on to the road or let it down gently. As to the crystals, she drew a triquetra and put three of them in the three corners, she levitated the fourth one (power expansion anyone?) and the levitated the other three (and the drawing somehow) and started spinning it around and around, keeping the fourth one (purple) above the rest. Then, when it was spinning pretty fast she let the purple one drop and there was a small explosion and everything dropped (the drawn triquetra completely gone). Then, she handed the purple one to Cole and asked him to keep her secret.

  • #132

    Sebastian (Thursday, 08 December 2011 12:55)

    @yemi1010 thats what I was thnking, that the elders simply caused Piper's power to advance rather suddenly, not simply give her a new one.

  • #133

    Texan (Thursday, 08 December 2011 14:31)

    So Piper actually only has 2 powers still?

  • #134

    p3nathan (Thursday, 08 December 2011 16:01)

    @Texan: it depends on how you look at it. Her power is to manipulate the speed of molecules, so in that sense she has one power... but she has 3 aspects of that one ability- 1)Freezing 2)Exploding 3)Melting

  • #135

    StoryGirl83 (Thursday, 08 December 2011 16:05)

    @Texas - I'm not sure. It sounded like Piper has only the power that can go in any direction she wants. Seeing as the twins split her power (and I think it is singular in that issue) it might be that she has one slow down/stop power and one speed up/blow up/melt power. Either way she definitely has fewer than three powers.

  • #136

    StoryGirl83 (Thursday, 08 December 2011 16:09)

    @p3nathan - Don't forget creating fire, which is caused by friction, which is caused by speeding up. It definitely isn't melting, but I don't think it's exploding either, unless it is extremely small micro explosions.

  • #137

    p3nathan (Thursday, 08 December 2011 16:42)

    That is actually how I see it. Her explosions had a fiery effect in later seasons, so I considered the fire creation aspect to be an aspect of her explosion ability.

  • #138

    Kody (Thursday, 08 December 2011 18:43)

    Yeah i was just giving an example. From being in Piper's womb to killing demons as an adult, Wyatt has displayed the ability to build force fields and i was just using that to suggest a possible ability for Paige's original active power. Since Paige's twins received Piper's powers (albeit each an aspect), i thought wyatt received Paige's powers. Yeah i was just giving my take on Paige's active power. That's it.

    Piper may only have one power, but it's actually the only one that makes complete sense. Neither Paige's nor Phoebe's and even Prue's powers have any cohesiveness between them. We all know that Piper can manipulate the speed of molecules and with that, she can stop the molecules (freezing) or speed them up (Exploding). I'm just waiting for her to start freezing people (literally) like the warlock episode.

  • #139

    charmedblu (Friday, 09 December 2011 12:03)

    This issue of the Charmed Comic book closed up some loop holes in the Charmed universe that wasn't address when the series was on air but it it started a really interesting debate among us Charmed fans. Regarding Paige as being a Charmed one by destiny/prophecy we have to remember that her character wasn't created until season 4. The power of three prophecy is directly related to Prue, Piper and phoebe so, when Prue died their was a void to be filled, and they weren't charmed anyone. When Paige came into the picture her destiny was changed from becoming a whitelighter to being a charmed one. As the series progress, including the comic Paige responsible is split in two a CO and a whitelighter.

    As for powers progressing they can grow with the individual, and be granted by and taken away by the elders. Another example of this is in "Crimes and Witch-Demeanors" when Phoebe lost her powers, the elders took them away for misusing them. And in "Pardon My Past" Phoebe past live was an evil witch and used her powers for evil, so Phoebe was never granted the power of pyrokinesis.

  • #140

    p4fan4ever (Friday, 09 December 2011 18:38)

    if paul has stated that it is one power (pipers) and leo said "the elders wouldnt have given it to you if they didn't think you could handle it" then the elders granted piper her powers it would seem

  • #141

    yemi1010 (Saturday, 10 December 2011 08:20)

    @kody oh. Thank you for clarifying, that seems like a highly likely possibility. After all, both of them are powerful half whitelighters (Piper said Wyatt had a little Twice-blessed left in him). And you're right about Piper's powers, though I still don't understand how Telekinetic Orbing can evolve into Shielding.

  • #142

    GC (Saturday, 10 December 2011 11:54)

    When he's using his mind to create the shield, if telekinetic orbing is surrounding things in orbs, then the shield is like an orb that forms around him but instead of moving he stays in one place. If that makes ANY sense at all, lol.

  • #143

    StoryGirl83 (Saturday, 10 December 2011 11:58)

    @yemi1010 - Considering it has been seen in all half whitelighters and it could be argued that it's a combination of two whitelighter powers, you could almost argue that it's not her witch power at all and that the developement of the two is not related.

  • #144

    p3nathan (Saturday, 10 December 2011 13:53)

    @yemi1010 - Well, I know a few comic book characters that are telekinetics and later learn to shape the telekinetic energy into a protective sphere. Since Prue could create waves of telekinetic energy in Morality Bites, maybe Orb shielding is Paige's more passive hybrid way of manipulating the telekinetic energy (with an orb effect). This is how I see it anyway, just a theory

  • #145

    Eric (Sunday, 11 December 2011 20:32)

    prue said that when she was a ghost,she saw a woman that a demon killed and had no life so she took over her body..

  • #146

    StoryGirl83 (Monday, 12 December 2011 10:03)

    @Eric - I'm not a medical expert, but brain dead means there is absolutely no way they can come back to life and that their vital organs are only still working because they are hooked up to a machine right? That said, do you think "Patience" (presuming that's her real name, which apparently Paul didn't decide) is in the Beyond (or could someone please remind me how Charon works) or could she potentially be restored to her body under the right circumstances. I think maybe Patience was alone or else Prue would have to deal with her family and/or friends wanted to know how she was back alive.

  • #147

    charming (Monday, 12 December 2011 11:08)

    charon took patience's soul. Patience is a living body now without soul and that means she will naver wake up so prue took over

  • #148

    CharmedThree (Monday, 12 December 2011 22:09)

    @ StoryGirl83 In "The Power of Two" Charon stated that she ferries souls into Hell. Whether it is Hell as in "The Underworld" or Hell as in the actual real thing is unknown. However seeing as how this was the first season, and back then they did kinda used "The Underworld" and "Hell" as two different places.

    Charon was going after Prue's soul, but since she wasn't fully dead and was currently being performed CPR, Prue was safe and Charon instead took Jackson's soul. So I think "Patience" would have fully been deceased for Charon to steal her soul.

  • #149

    StoryGirl83 (Tuesday, 13 December 2011 10:28)

    Thank you to both of you. It's been quite some time since I watched that episode, so I really appreciate you answering me.

  • #150

    BellBoy1750 (Wednesday, 14 December 2011 16:23)

    @StoryGirl83...I guess the reason I'm getting so defensive is because I feel Paige is sorta getting slighted. I mean, if she wasn't meant to be a Charmed One, then why would she be able to join her sisters in the power of three, do all the good she was able to do. You can argue that she has a different usage besides her intended purpose, which makes sense. However, I think her whitelighter destiny is tied to her being Charmed. Had she never met her sisters, she never would've been able to achieve all that she has had as a whitelighter. It's kinda like a 'you can't have one w/o the other'-deal. I think Prue has already fulfilled her destiny. Her death gave Piper and Phoebe the motivation to vanquish the Source. It was more like a final push, kinda in the way that the Angel of Destiny said that Leo's death would've given Piper the motivation to fight the Ultimate battle. The show's spoken about people being destined to die at a certain time, which would also apply to the sisters. I don't know; I guess we'll have to wait and see what Paul has in store for us. Thanks for theories. You made some excellent points.

  • #151

    StoryGirl83 (Wednesday, 14 December 2011 22:36)

    @BellBoy1750 - Perhaps this is how it feels, but I don't think that that is how it will be. I don't think Paul has any intention of slighting Paige. I honestly have no clue where this will go, but I am sure that it will not ultimately be a slight to Paige. Paige is my favorite sister during her seasons (Prue is my favorite over all and my second favorite character), so I certainly don't want her slighted. I look forward to seeing what's going to happen, but I'll take it slow. I have two birthdays (neither of them mine) and Christmas between now and then.

  • #152

    AnotherCharmedFan (Thursday, 15 December 2011 21:05)

    How the Hell did Prue help the charmed ones in 7x22 while she supposed to be disappeared & trying 2 stay away like she said in issue 16? according 2 what grams & patty said in issue 12,it's like prue have never came 2 the charmed ones at all,cuz she was lost & not 2 be found. so how the hell did prue helped them in 7x22? it doesn't make sense.

  • #153

    charmedcomicfan (Thursday, 15 December 2011 22:19)

    She was lost during the comics. When the girls start getting stronger with new powers was when Prue took patiences body. And dont forget the comics are now taking place in longer than 1 year

  • #154

    AnotherCharmedFan (Friday, 16 December 2011 21:25)

    @charmedcomicfan thanks for explaining!

  • #155

    GC (Saturday, 17 December 2011 19:07)

    You know...I was browsing Storygirl's site today, and she has the pic of Prue from the Sourcebook and the pic of Prue as a child next to each other...I swear to God there is a resemblance but maybe it's just me.

  • #156

    Val (Tuesday, 20 December 2011 07:48)

    It seems to me that we will see Prue as we know her (black hair, green eyes), but it won't resemble her...

  • #157

    JoshingAbout (Wednesday, 21 December 2011 05:58)

    FINALLY read the issue! Brilliant stuff!

    In regards to the 'slap to the face' to Paige - did no one stop to think that this may just be Prue's PRIDE talking? Seems typically Prue-like. She can get very self-absorbed, and saying that the prophecy was about HER and not PAIGE seems like a tinge of jealousy. I don't know. It's just something that I picked up on.

  • #158

    Shax (Friday, 23 December 2011 01:41)

    I hope we will see Prue as we know her, The story of Patience can not continue a long time!!

  • #159

    Bellboy1750 (Sunday, 25 December 2011 00:46)

    I don't think the prophecy of the Charmed Ones was specifically meant for Prue, Piper, and Phoebe. If it were, then it wouldn't have worked with Paige. Melinda prophesied that three witches would make up the Charmed Ones and that's how it panned out, but I don't think a Power of Four wouldn't be impossible. Just because Melinda didn't foresee it doesn't mean it couldn't happen. Where the hell did Prue get this info from anyway? There has to be more to it than what's been revealed. It makes sense, the whole notion of the sisters becoming TOO powerful if they were to ever get together as a foursome, thus creating a power outage. Maybe the Angels of Destiny will absolve Prue of her Charmed status (like Wyatt, Chris, and Melinda) so she can fully move on. I think there was a poster that mentioned that. It just feels kinda late to be doing that in the series, though. I like the notion of letting go and moving on, but it seems that the sisters have already done that.

  • #160

    StoryGirl83 (Sunday, 25 December 2011 10:44)

    @Bellboy1750 - Comsidering what was going on with her, I would not be surprised at all if Prue discussed this at length with Melinda Warren trying to figure out what was wrong with her. I image that Melinda saw a lot more then what she put into words. There's a reason why there is a saying that a picture is worth a thousand words. Words only go so far in describing something, even for the person who is the best at making word pictures.

    I do agree that there has to be more to it then has been revealed . . . most likely more to it then Prue knows. And if, as I suspect, she talked to Melinda, we don't know that Melinda was right about what she told her, but I do think it comes from Melinda. After all if you have the source, why not go to it?

  • #161

    Bellboy1750 (Monday, 09 January 2012 00:01)

    @StoryGirl83 - I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I do believe that there were only supposed to be three Charmed Ones, but I don't necessarily think it had to be the oldest three, otherwise it wouldn't have been reconstituted with the addition of Paige.

    I've probably said it before but I really do believe Prue fulfilled her destiny by dying. Her death incentivized Piper and Phoebe to really go after The Source, very similar to what the Angel of Destiny said in "Vaya Con Leo's", which was that Leo's death would've been the motivation for Piper and her sisters to fight the Ultimate Battle. It make more sense to me if Prue still had some unfinished business of her own, not necessarily Charmed One-related. Also, Paige's whitelighter destiny is tied into her Charmed One destiny; she wouldn't have really become whitelighter if it hadn't been for her Charmed status.

    I think another interesting question is why Prue was able to inhabit Patience's body anyway? Did she get permission from the Elders? What was the reasoning for that? Rennek, the darklighter, wanted to reunite Prue with her sisters, because of what Prue said about them becoming weaker. I'm guessing that the sisters become too powerful, over-charged to the point where they're rendered powerless. Some type of balance must be upset by the Charmed Ones' growth in power, allowing for evil to take the upper-hand.

    Or maybe the balance had already been upset. What about Neena and her demon army? What about all the destruction she initiated? I can't imagine that everything she did went without possible future consequences. Maybe it was something that'd already been done, some kind of imbalance that allowed for Prue to return from the afterlife in the body of Patience. Of course, this is all just speculation on my part. I'm very interested in where Ruditis takes the story.