Issue #15 spoilers

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  • #1

    Andrew (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 10:18)


    Thanks to Superlana on the CharmedWiki. It is explained in this comic that Tamora has Molecular Immobilization and Kat has Molecular Combustion.

  • #2

    charming (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 10:31)

    . piper is read to say everything about Cole to phoebe but before she does Paige tells them to orb with her to the burning house.
    . Henry and the kids are ok and firemen try to stop the fire
    .cole is with a seer named Alexi
    .In an unknown place that seems from the past a black girl is using telekinesis on a rock but she seems scared of her power, she is a new witch
    .An older blond woman is with her. This woman says she looks good for her age. She tells the girl to share her secret with her.
    . Paige's house is not entirely burned down, it looks good from the outside but the nursery is a wreck
    . Someone from the neighbour said that there was somebody lurking around Paige's house but they don't know who
    .a piece of paper was stuck on the door and when Phoebe touches it she gets a premonition of Tyler and an old man giving him the paper

  • #3

    charming (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 10:41)

    .They visit Tyler at Magic School. Paige tries to get answers from Tyler and Tyler gives them a card from KNOX ACADEMY. The old man Phoebe saw in the premonition was a recruiter for this academy that tried to make Tyler join. He said the school was suited to Tyler's talents
    . Paige orbs to the recruiter who is probably the headmaster of the academy and his name is Montgomery Knox.
    . It is revealed Knox academy is not demonic but a neutral alternative to Magic School
    .Back to the unknown black girl who's name is Sarah and the blond woman. The blond woman tells sarah to move the stone. Sarah is reluctant but the blond woman tells her that she isnt the first person who comes to her with special gifts. Then the blond woman fills 2 glasses with water magically. Sarah seems surprised. The blond woman tells her witchcraft and witches exist.
    .Alexi the seer is looking in a magic mirror for answers that Cole seeks. "That which you seek can be found in the place of her namesake" is what Alexi tells him.
    . Back at Knox academy the headmaster tells them that they teach students to embrace their gifts but not let magic run their lives. While saying that he has fire in his arms

  • #4

    charming (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 10:51)

    .Leo calls Paige on the phone and tells her to go to magic school with henry. Behind Leo , Tam has burned a circle on the floor
    .Knox tells them the academy is open to all ages. Its a place where people can learn to live with their powers or without them. Phoebe wonders what he means by "without them" but Paige is in a hurry and they orb away.
    .Tam seems to create fire (but its actually a not very evolved Molecular Combustion) Henry tries to convince Paige to bind Tam until she is older but Paige doesn't want that
    .Leo tells them Kat has also used a power. They go ot the library and Tam is using molecular immobilization on a book but its not very evolved so the book falls very slowly to the ground. She isnstrong enough to freeze. Piper says the twins split her powers
    .On the binding matter they decide to discuss it more because kids with such powers are dangerous.
    . Cole leaves Alexi's lair. When Cole leaved Rennek appears. Alexi tells him if he is done with the jewel of Orthon. Rennek holds a purple crystal and then says there is still one more person he wants to use it on. The mirror shows Knox. Rennek says its all about planting the seeds and then he can stand back and watch the charmed ones tear their own family apart

  • #5

    charming (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 10:55)

    Back to Sarah and the blond woman: The blond man tells her she has to control and accept her powers, Sarah says she has to think about it. The blond woman's name is Patience. Patience tells sarah she is going to be there for her.
    .Sarah says she will come back for work tomorrow, she cant leave her alone during the tourist season.
    .It is revealed the house they are in is a Salem Witch tourist house in the modern world.

    The title for the next issue is The Heavens can wait

    At the end there is a page in memoriam to Dave Hoover with some words from Ralph Tedesco. The page is styled like the in memoriam pages of Cole and Prue

  • #6

    charming (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 11:02)

    I meant the blond woman in the previous comment

  • #7

    Texan (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 11:48)

    So is knox good or evil or do we know yet?

  • #8

    charming (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 11:50)

    he is a mystery man for now

  • #9

    Just a Witch (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 11:58)

    Does Tam have MC or MI cause you are saying that she used both and are their powers bounded or not?

  • #10

    charming (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:03)

    I clearly say Tam has Mol Comb and Kat has MI

  • #11

    charming (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:04)

    ".On the binding matter they decide to discuss it more because kids with such powers are dangerous."
    So they havent bound them

  • #12

    Just a Witch (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:08)

    you said that Tam seems to create fire (but its actually a not very evolved Molecular Combustion) Henry tries to convince Paige to bind Tam until she is older but Paige doesn't want that
    .Leo tells them Kat has also used a power. They go ot the library and Tam is using molecular immobilization on a book but its not very evolved so the book falls very slowly to the ground. She isnstrong enough to freeze.

  • #13

    charming (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:12)

    Leo tells them Kat has also used a power. They go to the library and Kat....

    Im very sorry, my mistake

  • #14

    fxrocks (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:15)

    Do you think there's a possibility that this blond woman aka Patience could be.. Prue ?

  • #15

    power of three (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:24)

    what power are used by the charmed ones and the others?

  • #16

    charming (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:24)

    Who knows, maybe. maybe even sarah can is.

  • #17

    charming (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:46)

    Complete List of Powers:
    orbing Paige, Phoebe Premonition, Sarah Telekinesis, Knox Pyrokinesis, Patience filled 2 glasses with water, some fans call it telematerialization but i will not be quick to say what power it may be. Alexi probably used some form of precognition, Kat-Mol.Immobilization, Tam-Molec Combustion (both in weak form)

    These are all the powers that were used

  • #18

    Seerempath (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:46)

    Paige decided to bind Tamora's power until she is old enough to control it. She told Piper that it was for the best because right now is not the right time for her and her family to be dealing with Tamora power issues.

    Henry also want Paige to bind Kat powers, but Paige doesn't want to because while Kat's power is annoying, it's not dangerous. She tell's Henry that binding Kat's power is something they still have to discuss.

    Power Used:
    * Orbing - Paige
    * Premonition - Phoebe
    * Molecular Immobilization - Tamora
    * Molecular Combustion - Kat
    * Telematerialization - Patience
    * Telekinesis - Patience
    * Telekinesis - Sarah
    * Premonition (through a mirror portal)- Alexi
    * Glamouring (with the jewel of Orthon)- Rennek
    * Pyrokinesis (with the jewel of Orthon)- Rennek

  • #19

    GC (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:53)

    "That which you seek can be found in the place of her namesake" Here's my guess then. The house is Prudence Warren Wentworth's house and Patience is Prue only she looks like Prudence Wentworth.

  • #20

    Seerempath (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:55)

    We have to wait until the next issue to find out if it's really Rennek glamoured as Knox or if Rennek used the Jewel to give the real Knox a power and the two are working togather.

    Personally, I think it's a glamoured Rennek. I think the Seer's Mirror was just revealing the true, basically what he used the Jewel to do.

  • #21

    GC (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 13:00)

    I think, personally, that Prudence Warren was one of Prue's past lives to begin with, so for some reason after Prue died she took the form of a past life so she could move freely but those who knew her soul would still recognize her. I think that also means that Piper, Phoebe, and Paige will see Prue as Prue, even if we don't.

  • #22

    Seerempath (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 13:00)

    The Seer Alexis told Cole that the person he was searching for was in the place of her namesake.

    Patience own and runs a tourist attraction call Salem Witch House, Melinda's daughter Prudence born in Salem?

    The Prue connection is there, wether it be Patience or one of the witches she has helped. I think it's Patience.

  • #23

    Sebastian (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 13:02)

    yeah, it figures that it would end with more questions then answers...

    I knew there was a reason the twins were my favourite of the charmed one's children I am especially pleased that the Twins inherited Waren/Witch powers first! To be honest I was getting rather bored with the constant orb based abilities.

  • #24

    GC (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 13:03)

    All this of course means that Prue is alive...

  • #25

    Rob (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 13:04)

    I'm guessing Patience is a whitelighter with Patience's comment "I look good for my age." And her filing the glasses with water was an awesome call-back to when Leo did it back in season one "Secrets and Guys" :)

  • #26

    Prudence (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 13:10)

    I love how Paul splits Prue & Piper's powers. (Telekinesis/Telematerialization & Molecular Immobilization/Combustion)

  • #27

    MattThomas1992 (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 14:25)

    I think the water trick was a call-back to the first episode, when Prue moved her milk from the jug into the coffee.

    I think Patience will be Prue, if so, Paul did a good job at trying to fill a plot hole (Prue being alive and blonde in Morality Bites).

  • #28

    p3nathan (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 14:25)

    So Kat and Tam have the less potent versions of Piper's first 2 powers- Molecular Acceleration and Molecular Deceleration?

  • #29

    charmedfun (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 14:29)

    dont call it deceleration. thats just charmed wiki bulls##t. Its molecular immobilization but weak

  • #30

    fxrocks (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 14:37)

    can anyone post a picture of "Patience" ? I'd like to see how she looks like :)

  • #31

    p3nathan (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 15:09)

    @charmedfun which technically would be deceleration, until she learns how to fully freeze.

  • #32

    p3nathan (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 15:10)

    btw... were the powers referred to by name?

  • #33

    charming (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 15:22)

    piper says the twins split her powers. and they then explain the powers:
    - tam speeds the molecules up fast enough to make them catch fire maybe eventually explode
    - kat isnt stong enough to freeze entirely

  • #34

    sephjames (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 17:27)

    Kat - Molecular acceleration
    Tam - Molecular deceleration

  • #35

    StoryGirl83 (Wednesday, 26 October 2011 18:52)

    @p3nathan - To answer your question (which charming kind of did), no, the powers were not refered to by name. We have their (Piper and Phoebe, maybe and Leo) assumption (probably accurate) that these are in effect a split between the twins of Piper's powers, however, they were never actually named anything in the issue.

  • #36

    Alexispana8a (Thursday, 27 October 2011 08:24)

    who the heck is patience?

  • #37

    Alexispana8a (Thursday, 27 October 2011 08:53)

    please upload a picture of her!!

  • #38

    charmedcomicfan (Thursday, 27 October 2011 09:19)

    thats what the next issues are for. a mystery is being built. we will probably find more about her in future issues. I think its fun just like how we wondered about neena back then

  • #39

    RavenArrow (Thursday, 27 October 2011 11:03)

    Anyway,i think we'll have to be ...Patient to find out...

  • #40

    Charmed And Dangerous (Thursday, 27 October 2011 14:10)

    I am confused abou the "At the end there is a page in memoriam to Dave Hoover with some words from Ralph Tedesco. The page is styled like the in memoriam pages of Cole and Prue" bit.

    Did Dave Hoover die? I don't have the comic yet...

  • #41

    charming (Thursday, 27 October 2011 14:13)

    yes, unfortunately Dave Hoover died 1-2 months ago, charmedcomicfan updated us.

  • #42

    StoryGirl83 (Thursday, 27 October 2011 16:25)

    @HalliwellManorAkaDsc385 - This is in response to your comment on the main page. First, Grams (or Patty)said that Prue was not one of their daughters, specifically, she mentioned Phoebe's daughter, since I think Phoebe was the one who asked. Of course Grams might have lied. We know they lied about something. Second, what Alexi said was "That which you seek can be found in the PLACE of her namesake." She didn't say in her namesake, so no I don't think she's PJ. Interesting idea though.

  • #43

    p3nathan (Thursday, 27 October 2011 16:48)

    Wasn't the first Prudence of the Warren line born in Salem? Melinda's daughter.

  • #44

    p3nathan (Thursday, 27 October 2011 17:43)

    ...and isn't that where Sarah and Patience are introduced?

  • #45

    StoryGirl83 (Thursday, 27 October 2011 19:02)

    @p3nathan - As far as the TV series goes, we don't know where Prudence was born. I can't say if the books tell us. I do know that we know where Melinda was born (Virginia) and we know where Melinda died (Salem). We don't know when Melinda moved there. It is entirely possible that Prudence was born in Salem though.

  • #46

    StoryGirl83 (Saturday, 29 October 2011 10:49)

    @Eric - This is in response to your question/comment on the main page. I do not believe that Paige and Henry will bind Kat's powers. Although Paige said it was something they needed to discuss, I got the idea that her mind was made up that she wouldn't bind Kat's powers. She felt that Kat's powers were more annoying then dangerous. On the other hand, I do think they will bind Tam's powers, but Paige emphasized that this was only until Tam was old enough to control them. I think that Tam's powers will be unbound before she starts school. This is all conjuncture, but based off what they said, I think this is what will happen.

  • #47

    Eric (Sunday, 30 October 2011 11:35)

    @ storygirl83 thnx for the info..and about the sword thingy...i read on charmed wiki that it is a flame sword..but dont know yet

  • #48

    StoryGirl83 (Sunday, 30 October 2011 13:58)

    @Eric - I went and looked at the issue and here's what I found. In the first picture you see it, the sword appears to glow. In the fight it appears to be just a normal sword. In the last picture it does appear to be a little flamed, but that could just be a second attempt at making it glow. So my guess is that it's a normal looking sword that occasionally glows, because if it was going to flame . . . I would think it would do so during battle and not when the battle is over. I do not know this for sure. The words flame and glow were not words that I saw. I bet we will learn more when we get "The Heavens Can Wait", because I the summary seemed to imply that we'd learn more about what happened to Leo.

    As to the twins, I don't know why they got the powers they did, but my guess is that Paul wanted a power that hadn't already been used in excess and had two opposite sides that each twin could use. That would be my guess. I am hoping that this will be the only powers they get (aka I don't want them orbing), because it gets too easy when everyone has so many powers and easy is boring.

  • #49

    Eric (Sunday, 30 October 2011 18:26)

    @storygirl83 thnx and lol..i do love there powers..and i think that in a few months they will be mean to each other like wyatt and chris...

  • #50

    StoryGirl83 (Sunday, 30 October 2011 21:51)

    @Eric - Na, I don't think we'll get another story that focuses on them quite so soon as that. We tend to get a few months between each story arc, so I think a few months will be just in time for the next story arc. I think it'll wait a while for that. Besides, PJ hasn't gotten her story yet and neither has Chris. (Wyatt - Piper's Place, Melinda - The Heir Up There, Henry Jr - Oh, Henry, and of course this one is Kat and Tam).

  • #51

    HalliwellManorAkaDsc385 (Monday, 31 October 2011 00:52)

    @StoryGirl83 The "In the place of her namesake" makes me think that it means Prue has been reincarnated (or however Paul has spun it) into someone bearing her name. "Namesake" often refers to someone named after a particular person, as in a son after his father, etc. But Patience makes me recall Mortality Bites, where Prue was blonde in the future. And the whole Salem Witch Trial situation reminds me of All Halliwell's Eve where Prue was intrigued by Micah.

  • #52

    HalliwellManorAkaDsc385 (Monday, 31 October 2011 11:35)

    Just a thought, how can Patience be Prue, if that is the case? Prue died 10 years ago, her reincarnation would have had to be born after her death, she would be a child unless somehow, the Elders or someone insured she came back as a grown woman. Patience and Sarah are clearly not only 10 years old.

  • #53

    charming (Monday, 31 October 2011 11:48)

    maybe prue's soul is possesing the body. who knows

  • #54

    HalliwellManorAkaDsc385 (Monday, 31 October 2011 15:12)

    I can't recall but did Prue ever make a comment about her age and looks on the series?

  • #55

    IchobodCrane (Monday, 31 October 2011 15:25)

    Another thought - what Alexi could have meant about what Cole seeking being in the place of her namesake, it could mean that Prue is where Prudence Johnna is. Namesake is described as "if a person, place, or thing is named after another person, place, or thing, then the name target is said to be the namesake of the name source" ... hence Prue can be found where the person named after her is.

  • #56

    Eric (Monday, 31 October 2011 16:20)

    oh,okay but @HalliwellManorAkaDsc385 didnt rams say that its inpossible for one of the charmed children to be prue because they weren't born when she died?

  • #57

    GC (Monday, 31 October 2011 16:45)

    Maybe it's a glamor? Patience has brown eyes though, that threw me.

  • #58

    fxrocks (Monday, 31 October 2011 17:07)

    Little Prue from issue 11 also have brown eyes. The blue eyes for Prue was only Shannen's because Sam told Prue on " P3H2O " that Prue has her mother's eyes, which are brown.

  • #59

    StoryGirl83 (Monday, 31 October 2011 21:22)

    @fxrocks - And Chris hasn't once had green eyes and somehow Wyatt did once. Shannen's eyes are green (I think), definitely not brown. And telling someone that they have their parent's eyes doesn't always mean the color. More likely it's the shape.

    @GC - I think if someone was in glamour then their eyes would go with whatever matches the rest of the glamour.

  • #60

    GC (Tuesday, 01 November 2011 15:44)

    That isn't how it meant it. I meant Patience having brown eyes threw me because I was sure she'd have green/blue/grey eyes, not brown, just because Prue not having brown eyes was always the little unique thing that set her apart from her sisters, sorta of like how Piper's long hair or Paige's pale complexion set them apart.

  • #61

    StoryGirl83 (Tuesday, 01 November 2011 16:04)

    @GC - Ah! I see what you mean.

  • #62

    JoshingAbout (Tuesday, 01 November 2011 19:31)

    I personally think that Prue is in Salem somewhere, and that Patience and/or Sarah may be the key to finding her.

    "The place of her namesake" could mean who Prue was named after (not who was name after her) - in this case, Prudence Warren, Melinda Warren's daughter. I think that Paul will clarify that she was indeed born in Salem when Melinda moved there from Virginia.

    I personally think the idea of Patience/Sarah being Prue is a red herring that Paul's trying to lead us on with :P

  • #63

    StoryGirl83 (Wednesday, 02 November 2011 07:19)

    @JoshingAbout - Interesting idea. The way Patience acting, she seems to be a whitelighter who is introducing her newest charge (Sarah) to the world of magic. Both powers she showed could easily be whitelighter powers. So maybe Patience is Prue's whitelighter.

  • #64

    Eric (Saturday, 05 November 2011 20:52)

    @ storygirl83 yea thats a pretty good idea

  • #65

    Sebastian (Tuesday, 08 November 2011 10:59)

    @storygirl83, I really like this idea! Was it ever stated how long Prue has been missing?

    Now for some wild mass guessing!

    I am not the only one who is curious if she has been missing since just after she assisted in reconstituting the power of 3... (her spirit flipped through the book to find that one spell) and that the real reason the sisters were not permitted to reunite with her is because of this.

  • #66

    StoryGirl83 (Wednesday, 09 November 2011 20:28)

    @Sebastian - we don't know, because we can't trust anything Grams and Patty said in The Charmed Offensive. If we do use that though, it was before any of the girls were born ( Melinda, Kat, Tam, and PJ). On the other hand we could go with Unnatural Resources were Grams implied Prue was around still. I think when we know for sure that we have met her, we will get some answers. I think that it would be a good idea if she had been missing that long.